March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

[The Fish]

Seriously if your argument had been along the lines of "Bruce did well, the team he was given was weaker than the season before and to get those points and a Cup QF was a decent achievement - however moving forward I would rather have Rafa or a different manager because I don't think he will sustain it etc" That would be fair enough. Basically Bruce did miles better than you thought and like many with preconceived views they cant give credit where its due.

Bruce has done better than I thought he would points-wise, but then I thought he'd be as bad for us as he was for Villa, Hull, Sunderland, Shef Wed and so on. He has more points than his history and the stats suggest he should, so well done Steve. You're a lucky fucker so far.

And the last 12 words of your post are incredible hypocrisy.

XGa is a joke man. It takes into account all sorts of nonsense. Football doesn’t work like that

What nonsense?

 

[mad cyril]

I think that's giving Bruce a little more credit than he deserves, but I guess it's marginal and pointless arguing over small differences.

The top teams more often than not win games by having better players, playing football to a higher standard. That's why they're usually at the top of the table for stats and points.

I actually think Bruce deserves more credit than he actually gets.
He took the job with literally no backing from supporters and he lost his goal scorers. Yet despite that he’s sitting on 35 points from 29 games and took us to the 1/4 final of the FA Cup. Throughout the season he’s also conducted himself very well.

The players undoubtedly like him and play for him. Always the sign of very good man management.

I don’t particularly think he’s a great manager and he was fortunate to get the job given his CV but 100% credit where credit is due for the job he has done.

 

[rentaghost]

Why don't the later games count for Benitez? Why only those 29 games and not 29 games plucked from the amidst 17/18 season?

Does it not make much more sense to take an average performance per game and extrapolate that?

Also, stats back up conversations about performance, points don't. You've all seen games where you've battered the opposition, and they've fluked a goal off an arse in their only attack. Records just say 3pts to the opposition. Stats tell the story of the game. Anyone who dismisses them is being deliberately obtuse, or are a Luddite.

Because the more games you play the stats become less relevant and the results gain more strength. 29 games is a large sample of games and they had just got 11 points from 7 games as well as the cup progress. Almiron was playing well, ASM was playing well, they had just won away from home there's every chance Bruce would have finished the season well also.

 

[mad cyril]

Bruce has done better than I thought he would points-wise, but then I thought he'd be as bad for us as he was for Villa, Hull, Sunderland, Shef Wed and so on. He has more points than his history and the stats suggest he should, so well done Steve. You're a lucky fucker so far.

Mate this isn’t aimed solely at yourself, but calling him lucky is I feel insulting to the job both him and the players have done.

it makes a mockery of this ‘support the team not the regime’ when there is no acceptance or appreciation of the half decent season we are having.

 

[AndyH]

Premier league completed the checks and ready to green light it according to some journo on twitter.

which journalist?
I'll not believe it until I see the new owner with the keys.

 

[The Fish]

Because the more games you play the stats become less relevant and the results gain more strength. 29 games is a large sample of games and they had just got 11 points from 7 games as well as the cup progress. Almiron was playing well, ASM was playing well, they had just won away from home there's every chance Bruce would have finished the season well also.

Right, so given Bruce has only played 29 games, his stats should be more relevant than Benitez'? To pluck 29 games arbitrarily ignoring opposition, home/away, etc. doesn't paint a full picture.

Bruce could have finished the season well, he could also have finished poorly. Before lockdown we'd lost Dubravka to an injury that would have had him miss about 4 games. No idea if we would have won without arguably our most important player.

Mate this isn’t aimed solely at yourself, but calling him lucky is I feel insulting to the job both him and the players have done.

it makes a mockery of this ‘support the team not the regime’ when there is no acceptance or appreciation of the half decent season we are having.

It is a little tongue in cheek, and I don't blame the players at all, they've rescued many a game because they refuse to give up and credit has to go to Bruce for instilling that never-say-die attitude.

I can give full throated support when they're playing, but I'm not going to blow smoke up Bruce's arse when the performances have been shit for way too many games.

 

[Oli Wagkz]

which journalist?
I'll not believe it until I see the new owner with the keys.

Two mins mate, I'll see if I can find it

 

[rentaghost]

Bruce has done better than I thought he would points-wise, but then I thought he'd be as bad for us as he was for Villa, Hull, Sunderland, Shef Wed and so on. He has more points than his history and the stats suggest he should, so well done Steve. You're a lucky fucker so far.

And the last 12 words of your post are incredible hypocrisy.

What nonsense?

To be fair he got us our 3rd highest finish in 50 years. Birmingham and Wigan top 10 finishes and Hull City the highest they have finished in years as well as to an FA Cup final. He has had his bad periods as well and ended up f***ing up plenty. He might be pretty bog standard but for all his flaws he did far better than Rafa did in the 29 games he was at NUFC compared to the previous season. Got Newcastle to its best FA cup run in 30 years, way better than Rafa did and doesn't have an NUFC deserved relegation on his CV by rocking up at the worst Villa side in history and playing for a draw. Being a true Newcastle fan you must be pleased with your current manager and how he improved on the performance of the previous one?

 

[mad cyril]

I can give full throated support when they're playing, but I'm not going to blow smoke up Bruce's arse when the performances have been shit for way too many games.

yet Benitez gets the smoke blown up his arse for pretty much the same job.

Ah fuck it mate, I’m off to open a beer it’s gone 3pm. Have a great weekend

 

[Oli Wagkz]

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[Deleted member 27897]

Remember for the whole year in which Rafa was gone up until the news of the takeover, The Fish was nowhere to be seen on this board.

Nowhere.

 

[The Fish]

To be fair he got us our 3rd highest finish in 50 years. Birmingham and Wigan top 10 finishes and Hull City the highest they have finished in years as well as to an FA Cup final. He has had his bad periods as well and ended up f***ing up plenty. He might be pretty bog standard but for all his flaws he did far better than Rafa did in the 29 games he was at NUFC compared to the previous season. Got Newcastle to its best FA cup run in 30 years, way better than Rafa did and doesn't have an NUFC deserved relegation on his CV by rocking up at the worst Villa side in history and playing for a draw. Being a true Newcastle fan you must be pleased with your current manager and how he improved on the performance of the previous one?

A see a lot of standard RTG half-truths in there. I don't see the point in them, but I can see them.

 

[Secret Visage]

Remember for the whole year in which Rafa was gone up until the news of the takeover, The Fish was nowhere to be seen on this board.

Nowhere.

Those kids wont teach themselves.

 

[The Fish]

yet Benitez gets the smoke blown up his arse for pretty much the same job.

Ah fuck it mate, I’m off to open a beer it’s gone 3pm. Have a great weekend

Not really the same job, and there are some who deify Benitez, but you're right, it's beer time.

Remember for the whole year in which Rafa was gone up until the news of the takeover, The Fish was nowhere to be seen on this board.

Nowhere.

Ad hoc ergo propter hoc

 

[Obvious Mag]

I think the biggest thing for me among my mates is if the takeover goes through - do you reappoint Benitez?

I've yet to find a single one who thinks it's a good idea.

Then again I'm not sure appointing Pochetinno on £19m a year is entirely a good idea either. I don't think we need necessarily need a name. I'd argue a competent Sporting Director and a Chief Exec are just as important at this stage.

I'm more than happy to be a stable top 12 if we can invest in the academy and infrastructure and build the club without worrying what Ashley PR disaster is around the comer.

 

[Kestrel 9]

I think the biggest thing for me among my mates is if the takeover goes through - do you reappoint Benitez?

I've yet to find a single one who thinks it's a good idea.

Then again I'm not sure appointing Pochetinno on £19m a year is entirely a good idea either. I don't think we need necessarily need a name. I'd argue a competent Sporting Director and a Chief Exec are just as important at this stage.

I'm more than happy to be a stable top 12 if we can invest in the academy and infrastructure and build the club without worrying what Ashley PR disaster is around the comer.

Totally agree with your last paragraph

 

[Charmless Man]

I made that point on here a couple of days ago on this thread. How many more points would Bruce have had if we had been able to keep Perez / Rondon ?
All hypothetical of course but certainly worth considering.

With a capable centre forward (which Rondon was) the likes of St Maximimimimimimimim could have been way more productive.

Totally agree with your last paragraph

It would potentially be more satisfying for fans of most clubs seeing a team of local academy products doing quite well, than a merry go round of global superstars with no affinity.

It would be nice to see the other side though

 

[Millhouse]

Bruce has done better than I thought he would points-wise, but then I thought he'd be as bad for us as he was for Villa, Hull, Sunderland, Shef Wed and so on. He has more points than his history and the stats suggest he should, so well done Steve. You're a lucky fucker so far.

And the last 12 words of your post are incredible hypocrisy.

What nonsense?

Doesn’t take into account the person shooting, individual strengths etc

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

I think that's giving Bruce a little more credit than he deserves, but I guess it's marginal and pointless arguing over small differences.

The top teams more often than not win games by having better players, playing football to a higher standard. That's why they're usually at the top of the table for stats and points.

Ah, so more points means a better performance by team and Manager?

Cheers for clarifying that

 

[Bear]

Hang on, either Bruce signs off on players or he doesn't. You can't credit him with ASM, but absolve him of responsibility for Joelinton.

No, Benitez probably wouldn't have signed ASM. His unpredictability can be a huge benefit on occasion, or it can cause problems. Benitez likely would have kept Rondon and tried to keep Perez.

We're way more reliant on Dubravka this season than we were last time around. He's made more saves than the majority of 'keepers in the league. I've shown we're worse defensively, worse in attack too. Bruce looks like he's kept us up and that's better than I expected, but objectively we're playing worse this season.

From April last year

Sure Newcastle have conceded 40 goals, but he’s also had to face an immense 417 shots.

Looks like he was really busy last season too