March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

[mad cyril]

I wonder if MBS will make an appearance at Sid James' with his noocazzle scarf above his head
Love to see the scratters who will be outside cheering him on when this happens.
Bound to be a few dressed as arabs and with prayer mats, camels and box of dates from xmas
In fact is he allowed to enter the UK?

the Saudis are treated like royalty here. Their history with our royal family goes way back. It’s the ultimate we’ll scratch your back partnership.
sure last time he was here the queen give him a state banquet

 

[Shieldsman]

I didnt even know Sheff United has Saudi owners until people started mentioning it in correlation with Newcastle , shows how little publicity it must have gained when the Saudis took them over.

The ownership of Sheffield United is considerably different to the potential ownership of the Mags. The SU owner is a prince but he's not the one at the top of the tree enforcing legislation. The Mag one is the Crown Prince. The buck stops with him when it comes to their human rights record. It's like blaming a Tory backbencher for the government's failings when ultimately the buck stops with Boris Johnson.

 

[Suomifinland]

The ownership of Sheffield United is considerably different to the potential ownership of the Mags. The SU owner is a prince but he's not the one at the top of the tree enforcing legislation. The Mag one is the Crown Prince. The buck stops with him when it comes to their human rights record. It's like blaming a Tory backbencher for the government's failings when ultimately the buck stops with Boris Johnson.

Ah right so good Saudi princes & bad ones?

 

[Super Ted]

Explain why not.

Explain why not.

The Sheffield United owner is a prince of Saudia Arabia but cannot enforce legislation within the country, The potential Newcastle 'owner' owns the entire state and all legislations are ruled through him. Abdullah Bin Musad also hasn't authorised the beheadings / murders of a journalist or the bombing of Yemen resulting in millions dying as a result of war-torn famine. The Sheffield United owner won a high court case battle after allegedly using funding through Osama bin Laden, this was proven as innacurate and he won the case.

It is literally not caparable, at all.

 

[Kestrel 9]

Be interesting to see what happens with this one, if it was Man United, Liverpool or any of the other biggest clubs it almost certainly wouldn't be blocked or have all this negative publicity , however with it being Newcastle and people not liking the idea of them being the richest club in the world and being able to compete financially with the rest it may well be blocked.

Spot on

 

[citybythesea]

Apart from it was thrown out of court in France and Bein made to pay large sums to cover the legal expenses. Arabsat were in the process of considering a legal proceeding themselves for defamation.

Ah well that’s ok......only the human rights abuses, slave labour, crucifixions, beheadings, stonings, Terrorism fundings, bribery, corruption, human trafficking, journalism killings, politicals prisoners, torture, forced underaged marriages, war crimes, interference in other countries...........but at least there’s no zero hour contracts!
One bit of good news for Newcastle

 

[Bears Beets]

 

[safc_grindon]

Ah right so good Saudi princes & bad ones?

MBS effectively IS Saudi. He controls it. He's the Crown Prince. He's head of the anti-corruption committee, which means he can have anyone detained on his orders, regardless of who they are (he had 200 very wealthy businessmen and princes held under house arrest a few years back). He controls Saudi Aramco, the most valuable company in the world (although sure their worth is taking a kicking in the current climate). He gives the orders for war, he gives the orders for beheadings, he gives the orders for killings.

 

[Shieldsman]

Ah right so good Saudi princes & bad ones?

If you want to think of it like then you can. The Sheffield United one is responsible for Youth Welfare in the Saudi Government - a pretty low key role. The potential mag one is the son of the King and is enforcing legislation. The Sheffield United one to my knowledge has had no alleged criminal activity levelled against him. The Mag one has allegedly.....

The main driver of the war in Yemen which has amongst other things lead to the starvation of 50000 Yemeni children.
The assassination of Khashoggi.
This year praised the 'reducation' of Chinese muslims in prisoner camps.
Interfered in Trump's presidential campaign
Arrested women's rights activists
Sanctioned arms sales to Syria
Executed Shia human rights activists
Sanctioned the torturing of those who oppose his regime
Blockaded Qatar
Forced the resignation of the Lebanese PM

So yeah, there's a bit of a difference between the two.

Saying that, maybe not quite enough to discredit him from the PL's rigourous 'fit and proper' check.

 

[AndyH]

From a purely objective point of view, gleefully jumping to the defence of Saudi Arabia and seemingly showing a giddy willingness to overlook the reprehensible ethics and practices which are well known to go on in that nation, just because one of their royal family has shown an interest in buying your football club makes you look like a total shitkicker with extreme tunnel vision.

I have not defended Saudi Arabia gleefully or otherwise, I have shown no willingness to over look their ethics or practices, anything else you would like to make up?

So you have well above average knowledge of middle eastern affairs and yet no little about the man who runs the whole lot??

another f***ing moron who's just reappeared after a 2 year absence.

Well I know more than you do, as when it comes to the middle east I know he doesn't run the whole lot.

 

[mr chuckles]

Spot on

Boohoo the nasty Premier league might block it cos its Newcastle. f***ing get a grip man you pathetic knacker

 

[Shieldsman]

Be interesting to see what happens with this one, if it was Man United, Liverpool or any of the other biggest clubs it almost certainly wouldn't be blocked or have all this negative publicity , however with it being Newcastle and people not liking the idea of them being the richest club in the world and being able to compete financially with the rest it may well be blocked.

It's not about not liking the idea about how rich they may or not become. It's about the background of the money man behind the take over. Would it have been fine and dandy for Gadaffi or Saddam Hussein to take over a top flight club back in the day? This is your modern day equivalent.

 

[Thurston]

I have not defended Saudi Arabia gleefully or otherwise, I have shown no willingness to over look their ethics or practices, anything else you would like to make up?

Let’s have a look at what you said and break it down:

“Dear Boris

I don't like the views and practices of Saudi Arabia.
Please stop them from investing in western business, especially Newcastle United as i really don't like them.
I am very very outraged about the whole thing.

Kind Regards
A disgruntled Sunderland fan”

What you’re doing here is suggesting that the objections the poster has to Saudi Arabia can only solely stem from the fact he supports another club, and that aside there’s no reasonable basis for opposing the purchase of Newcastle United by a Saudi investment fund. You completely decontextualise and remove the fact the Saudi state has one of the most despicable records on human rights in the world — the evidence for this is substantial and everyone is aware of it and have been for a long time, so no reason to waste time citing sources, and they still adhere to what practically the rest of the world consider barbaric medieval practices.

This is known as whitewashing, which incidentally is what the Saudi investment fund is looking to do by purchasing Newcastle. So perhaps you’re all suited to one another afterall, you ethically abhorrent shitstain.

 

[pRICK]

Boohoo the nasty Premier league might block it cos its Newcastle. f***ing get a grip man you pathetic knacker

Poo-ah owald nyucassel

 

[becs]

doesn't like Jamie Oliver

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[Rottie]

Well I know more than you do, as when it comes to the middle east I know he doesn't run the whole lot.

thank you Jeremy Bowen

 

[pRICK]

His head's on the chopping block if the Saudi takeover goes through...perhaps more ways than one

 

[Black Cat Gypsy]

The Saudis are national equivalent to pubs illegally streaming games!
As cynical as it seems the premier league will be more bothered about this than any tarnished reputation by their human rights issues.

Isn't BeIN the biggest overseas broadcaster the PL has? If they decide to pull out and stop showing PL games there will be a big hole in TV revenue. Will Arabsat buy the rights and would it have the same worldwide audience that BeIN has, especially in the Middle East.

 

[AndyH]

Far from it. I take a very active interest in world current affairs.

Your comment about poorer areas / morality is ridiculous. I mentioned areas that are your typical mag heartlands. Would you have been happier if I mentioned more areas to include some with less deprivation? Just for you I'll throw Gosforth and Jesmond in.
Regardless of where they are from, NUFC fans have suddenly lost any concept of morality. They are so desperate to get rid of a bloke who employs people on zero hours contracts and uses the club as an advertising avenue for his business to be replaced by pretty much the biggest bastard on the planet who allegedly sanctions killings, removes free speech, infringes human rights and involves his country with proxy wars all over the Arab world. Do you see why this can be construed to be ironic?

If you didn't know a great deal about him before this then what did you know? That's he's from Saudi and very wealthy, the end?

No I wouldn't have been happier had you mentioned more affluent areas, I see it is irrelevant, I just thought it bad form.
I agreed in my first post on this topic that it is obviously hypocritical if you are critical of Ashley over his stance on workers rights but not critical of the Saudi's.
As I also said in my first post I can disapprove of some things that people do and approve of other things that they do.

Taking Newcastle out of the equation and going back before any take over was mentioned:
I disapprove of the Saudi's bumping off a journalist.
I approve of their vision 2030 project which I was aware of before the take over speculation, I think it is a step in the right direction.

As I approve of the vision 2030 project I felt no outrage when they bought a share in Tesla, i don't see that as a bad thing.
Are you outraged that they were allowed to purchase Tesla shares, are you saying that people buying Tesla lack a moral compass? are you vocal on this subject?

It appears to me that Sunderland fans are not concerned that the PIF are allowed to buy shares in Western business they only seem concerned that they are allowed to buy shares in the business of Newcastle United.
Comes across as sour grapes to be honest but probably just best to agree to disagree.

 

[Shieldsman]

No I wouldn't have been happier had you mentioned more affluent areas, I see it is irrelevant, I just thought it bad form.
I agreed in my first post on this topic that it is obviously hypocritical if you are critical of Ashley over his stance on workers rights but not critical of the Saudi's.
As I also said in my first post I can disapprove of some things that people do and approve of other things that they do.

Taking Newcastle out of the equation and going back before any take over was mentioned:
I disapprove of the Saudi's bumping off a journalist.
I approve of their vision 2030 project which I was aware of before the take over speculation, I think it is a step in the right direction.

As I approve of the vision 2030 project I felt no outrage when they bought a share in Tesla, i don't see that as a bad thing.
Are you outraged that they were allowed to purchase Tesla shares, are you saying that people buying Tesla lack a moral compass? are you vocal on this subject?

It appears to me that Sunderland fans are not concerned that the PIF are allowed to buy shares in Western business they only seem concerned that they are allowed to buy shares in the business of Newcastle United.
Comes across as sour grapes to be honest but probably just best to agree to disagree.

I must admit to being unware that the Saudi PIF had bought Tesla shares which I've read they've subsequently sold. They no doubt have shares in many companies - it's what an investment fund does. However, comparing the two is ridiculous. The Saudi's bought 3-5% of Tesla shares. Elon musk remains the CEO. They are buying 100% ownership of the company that is NUFC. Bin Salman becomes the majority share owner. You must be able to see this. I appreciate you're desperately trying to justify the purchase of your club by such a bunch of unscrupulous bastards but seriously, leave it. There is no justification.