16 year old kid attacked by South Yorkshire copper

[stretch]

Sounds like a 6 from the middle of Stokes bat

 

[Zweiguys]

Nope it's still not proportionate response.the police officer is not in control of the situation or himself and the teenager has his back to the officer. As far as the IOPC should be concerned its an open and shut case. The parents of the 16 year old white rightly have to sue the force and take civil action against the officer in question.

Civil action carries a completely different set of parameters.

No.

I think this thread should be pushed and the Sky News article shared all over social media. Get that policeman to face the consequences of his cowardly attack.

Please give the detailed facts of the entire exchange of events. Otherwise we only have one point of view here.

 

[Gobuchul]

Please give the detailed facts of the entire exchange of events. Otherwise we only have one point of view here.

Which part do you not get? Whatever had happened prior to this assault doesn't really matter. The Police Officer's actions would only of been justified if he was an immediate threat. He clearly wasn't.

That boy could of been restrained without a life threatening smash to the skull.

 

[Zweiguys]

Which part do you not get? Whatever had happened prior to this assault doesn't really matter. The Police Officer's actions would only of been justified if he was an immediate threat. He clearly wasn't.

That boy could of been restrained without a life threatening smash to the skull.

It does matter. If he was causing bodily harm and was being arrested, broke free and ran, all bets are off.
By your reasoning the knife attacker a few weeks ago should have been arrested and not shot dead.
Im in NO WAY equating this incident to that of public knife attacks.
My position is that a police officer must make a decision in a short amount of time to do what is deemed necessary to prevent further public harm.
If there was no threat of public harm then the officer involved will have to explain his position in a court of law.

 

[RascaI]

It does matter. If he was causing bodily harm and was being arrested, broke free and ran, all bets are off.
By your reasoning the knife attacker a few weeks ago should have been arrested and not shot dead.
Im in NO WAY equating this incident to that of public knife attacks.
My position is that a police officer must make a decision in a short amount of time to do what is deemed necessary to prevent further public harm.
If there was no threat of public harm then the officer involved will have to explain his position in a court of law.

but he wasn’t, he was along with his mum trying to stop his dad and another bloke from squaring up to each other.
but he wasn’t, he was along with his mum trying to stop his dad and another bloke from squaring up to each other.
but he wasn’t, he was along with his mum trying to stop his dad and another bloke from squaring up to each other.
but he wasn’t, he was along with his mum trying to stop his dad and another bloke from squaring up to each other.
but he wasn’t, he was along with his mum trying to stop his dad and another bloke from squaring up to each other.

if anyone needs me to post it again let me know.

 

[Gobuchul]

It does matter. If he was causing bodily harm and was being arrested, broke free and ran, all bets are off.

All bets are off? No wonder you have issues with your police in the US.

Any force used to restrain him still has to be "reasonable".

Besides as the Barnsley fan on this thread who witnessed it, he had not been causing trouble and was certainly not a threat.

 

[Deleted member 26533]

It does matter. If he was causing bodily harm and was being arrested, broke free and ran, all bets are off.

Maybe in America or something ffs

All bets are off? No wonder you have issues with your police in the US.

Any force used to restrain him still has to be "reasonable".

Besides as the Barnsley fan on this thread who witnessed it, he had not been causing trouble and was certainly not a threat.

Is that where he's actually from/lives?

 

[Gobuchul]

Is that where he's actually from/lives?

According to his profile he's from New Jersey. Maybe he knocks round with Tony and considers police brutality as a hazard of his work?

 

[DufraisFTM]

Shouldn't be a jail sentence at all, he might get sacked. If. If the copper gets jailed then you would have to jail anyone who threw a punch as a punch can potentially kill someone aswell

Shouldn't be a jail sentence at all, he might get sacked. If. If the copper gets jailed then you would have to jail anyone who threw a punch as a punch can potentially kill someone aswell

Not really that bothered, the cop will get into to trouble if they think it's excessive force, that's upto to the authorities

Of course he should go to jail. He blindsided a child, with a weapon, striking him on the head with disproportionate force. The blokes a thug in a uniform.

 

[Zweiguys]

And as usual on here name calling and insinuating a person's place of residence determines his way of life begins.
Thought we might avoid that as this is a topic that needs to be addressed from both sides of the debate.

 

[Mowgli]

Didn't say it was, for the 100 th time I will say it again it the cop has used excessive force then he will be in trouble. But will say it again if the lad was fighting and attacking people I have no sympathy for him.

I asked you earlier and you didnt reply... if nothing happens and its swept under the carpet, does that mean he acted sensibly and fair?

 

[Deleted member 26533]

And as usual on here name calling and insinuating a person's place of residence determines his way of life begins.
Thought we might avoid that as this is a topic that needs to be addressed from both sides of the debate.

You said if he'd been resisting arrest then 'all bets are off' man

 

[ir35]

IMO if you are a police officer and aren’t able to deal with that situation without resorting to splitting a lads head open, you really shouldn’t be in the job.

 

[andyj73]

Of course he should go to jail. He blindsided a child, with a weapon, striking him on the head with disproportionate force. The blokes a thug in a uniform.

.. this ..

 

[Zweiguys]

You said if he'd been resisting arrest then 'all bets are off' man

If a suspect resists arrest and puts up a fight the police aren’t going to say “ OK if you feel that strongly about being placed under arrest I’ll let you go”
The level of resistance will be met with the amount of force deemed necessary at the time to subdue the suspect.
When an officer asks you to follow his command, obey. Things go much easier for both parties.

 

[Yeltas]

If a suspect resists arrest and puts up a fight the police aren’t going to say “ OK if you feel that strongly about being placed under arrest I’ll let you go”
The level of resistance will be met with the amount of force deemed necessary at the time to subdue the suspect.
When an officer asks you to follow his command, obey. Things go much easier for both parties.

Well said

 

[Plank]

Shouldn't be a jail sentence at all, he might get sacked. If. If the copper gets jailed then you would have to jail anyone who threw a punch as a punch can potentially kill someone aswell

Shouldn't be a jail sentence at all, he might get sacked. If. If the copper gets jailed then you would have to jail anyone who threw a punch as a punch can potentially kill someone aswell

Not really that bothered, the cop will get into to trouble if they think it's excessive force, that's upto to the authorities

Hopefully loses his job and struggles to find other employment.

 

[pwsafc]

I asked you earlier and you didnt reply... if nothing happens and its swept under the carpet, does that mean he acted sensibly and fair?

What is all this in depth conversation into something that we will never find out the truth about, if the cop is found guilty he will be punished in house it won't be in the public eye

 

[Gobuchul]

And as usual on here name calling and insinuating a person's place of residence determines his way of life begins.
Thought we might avoid that as this is a topic that needs to be addressed from both sides of the debate.

Lighten up man.

If a suspect resists arrest and puts up a fight the police aren’t going to say “ OK if you feel that strongly about being placed under arrest I’ll let you go”
The level of resistance will be met with the amount of force deemed necessary at the time to subdue the suspect.
When an officer asks you to follow his command, obey. Things go much easier for both parties.

Where did this lad resist arrest?

Do you really believe that level of force was necessary?

 

[Deleted member 26533]

If a suspect resists arrest and puts up a fight the police aren’t going to say “ OK if you feel that strongly about being placed under arrest I’ll let you go”
The level of resistance will be met with the amount of force deemed necessary at the time to subdue the suspect.
When an officer asks you to follow his command, obey. Things go much easier for both parties.

Fallacy. Didn't say an officer should let somebody go who is arresting, but why would he take a running swing at his head?

As you've said, the level of force to subdue must be necessary and clearly splitting his head open was a very dangerous and excessive move that could've resulted in death.

If he's been fighting or slipped arrest, it absolutely does not make it OK to do that.