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[4th Test] South Africa v England

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Paddy O'Dors said:
In a two test series you get summat like 60 points a win. Imperative that we win both.


Using that stick? It's his last test. Philander has coasted through this series. I didn't realise Jimmy had called it a day tbh. I'd sooner have Foakes over de Kock now that we're not rolling over at the top of the order.
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So you’re now claiming our third choice wicket keeper is the best in this series? Couldnt make it up 😂😂
Mr Redknapp said:
Mind you, Philander has been a disgrace this series.
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Hard to argue with this. Doesn’t even look bothered
 
smoker said:
A lot of it is inverse snobbery IMHO, because be plays for Surrey and went to public school. Compare and contrast with the plaudits for Stokes on here when he was 24 with a significantly worse average than Curran.

We've been crying out for a good left arm bowler for years, now we have one, well he's 3mph too slow...
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This is absolute nonsense, practically the entire f***ing team is public school, people don't have to have an agenda to disagree.

He bowled well today mind. They all did, fantastic performance.
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
This is absolute nonsense, practically the entire f***ing team is public school, people don't have to have an agenda to disagree.

He bowled well today mind. They all did, fantastic performance.
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Well said. Curran just isn’t up at the level required yet. And I wouldn’t expect him to be at 21 years old. He’s got potential, just isn’t in the top bracket yet
 
South Africa lost 5 tests in row coming into this series, than won one when we were in distray with illness and now barring a miracle will lose another 3 in a row, meaning losing 7 out of the last 8 tests.

Philander hasn’t been the same bowler in this series as he once was, Rabada has been below his best in this series also imo.

Either way which ever way you look at it, South Africa are currently a very poor test side, as bad as one I can ever remember them having.

It’s great we going to win this series, but I for one am not getting carried away, granted you can only beat the team put in front of you, but the team put in front of England this series has been very poor indeed imo and miles behind the team we played in the Ashes.
TravellingMackem said:
Yep and that’s what I think will let us down. We tend to be on the wrong side of this, ie when we are poor we lose 5-0, but when we are great, we win 3-2. See this series for instance, 2/3-1 as opposed to 4-0. We just lack that real cutting edge that India and Australia have over us at present. Think we’re improving though


Rabada is still probably the best quick in the world. Apart from Jimmy in home conditions (and Jimmy is about to retire, if we are using that stick to beat Philander) he is significantly better than any seamer we have. If we did an XI of us and them, forgetting fitness and injuries I think it’s look like:

Elgar
Sibley
who knows
Root
Stokes
Pope
De Kock
Maharaj
Rabada
Broad or Archer or Philander
Anderson

Don’t think there could be that much doubt in it tbh, pretty straight forward ain’t it?
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There is no way imo than Rabada is better than Cummins
 
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TravellingMackem said:
So you’re now claiming our third choice wicket keeper is the best in this series? Couldnt make it up 😂😂


Hard to argue with this. Doesn’t even look bothered
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Where have I said that you f***ing balloon? I said I'd rather have Foakes in ahead of Buttler and de Kock. I understand the reasons why England have played a batsman/keeper rather than a keeper/batsman in recent years.

Whatever persona you come on here under you can't help yourself being a condescending tosser and accept someone might have a different opinion to yours.
 
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Paddy O'Dors said:
Where have I said that you f***ing balloon? I said I'd rather have Foakes in ahead of Buttler and de Kock. I understand the reasons why England have played a batsman/keeper rather than a keeper/batsman in recent years.

Whatever persona you come on here under you can't help yourself being a condescending tosser and accept someone might have a different opinion to yours.
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You said you would rather have foakes than Buttler than de Kock by your own admission. Therefore you think that he is better than either of them. Isn’t hard to wrap your head around.
Voice of fair play said:
There is no way imo than Rabada is better than Cummins
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Possibly I’d agree, although I’d say it’s fairly close between the two. Point still stands though that he’s by far the best bowler in this series.
 
Voice of fair play said:
South Africa lost 5 tests in row coming into this series, than won one when we were in distray with illness and now barring a miracle will lose another 3 in a row, meaning losing 7 out of the last 8 tests.

Philander hasn’t been the same bowler in this series as he once was, Rabada has been below his best in this series also imo.

Either way which ever way you look at it, South Africa are currently a very poor test side, as bad as one I can ever remember them having.

It’s great we going to win this series, but I for one am not getting carried away, granted you can only beat the team put in front of you, but the team put in front of England this series has been very poor indeed imo and miles behind the team we played in the Ashes.


There is no way imo than Rabada is better than Cummins
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Nortje has looked a better bowler than Rabada tbh. Surprised it's took him until 26 to make his debut on his showing in this series.
TravellingMackem said:
You said you would rather have foakes than Buttler than de Kock by your own admission. Therefore you think that he is better than either of them. Isn’t hard to wrap your head around.


Possibly I’d agree, although I’d say it’s fairly close between the two. Point still stands though that he’s by far the best bowler in this series.
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I think Foakes is a better keeper than both. Keep up at the back.
 
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Paddy O'Dors said:
Nortje has looked a better bowler than Rabada tbh. Surprised it's took him until 26 to make his debut on his showing in this series.


I think Foakes is a better keeper than both. Keep up at the back.
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So you think our third choice keeper is the best keeper in this series. That’s exactly what you were denying having said. Your opinions are strange and without basis
 
TravellingMackem said:
So you think our third choice keeper is the best keeper in this series. That’s exactly what you were denying having said. Your opinions are strange and without basis
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Jesus f***ing wept. It's like pulling teeth. I said I'd rather have Foakes over Buttler and de Cock. I never said Foakes had played in this series.
 
Paddy O'Dors said:
Where have I said that you f***ing balloon? I said I'd rather have Foakes in ahead of Buttler and de Kock. I understand the reasons why England have played a batsman/keeper rather than a keeper/batsman in recent years.

Whatever persona you come on here under you can't help yourself being a condescending tosser and accept someone might have a different opinion to yours.
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De Kock is a cut above our options imo.
 
smoker said:
A lot of it is inverse snobbery IMHO, because be plays for Surrey and went to public school. Compare and contrast with the plaudits for Stokes on here when he was 24 with a significantly worse average than Curran.

We've been crying out for a good left arm bowler for years, now we have one, well he's 3mph too slow...
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Preach it, brother.
 
Voice of fair play said:
South Africa lost 5 tests in row coming into this series, than won one when we were in distray with illness and now barring a miracle will lose another 3 in a row, meaning losing 7 out of the last 8 tests.

Philander hasn’t been the same bowler in this series as he once was, Rabada has been below his best in this series also imo.

Either way which ever way you look at it, South Africa are currently a very poor test side, as bad as one I can ever remember them having.

It’s great we going to win this series, but I for one am not getting carried away, granted you can only beat the team put in front of you, but the team put in front of England this series has been very poor indeed imo and miles behind the team we played in the Ashes.


There is no way imo than Rabada is better than Cummins
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Better aver
Paddy O'Dors said:
Show me then.


What about his keeping though?
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He's pretty good at that too tbh.
 
I think it's hard to make much of a case for Butter on current form. Conversely, Foakes has been hugely unlucky not to win more caps.
But piffle. The headline news is that England were brilliant yesterday - and that South Africa look really poor.
 
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