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Nukehasslefan
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Yep and experiments.
Logic is simple. You start at the easiest and most observable point. Water is a great way to start.
water will always find it's own level because it is not on a globe.
So simply and hard to put down without the use of magic or shall I say unprovable so called theories.
AlpineExile
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So explain the existence of the Atlantic Ocean, petal.
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It's density marra.
zwartekat
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What are these 'experiments'? Genuinely interested.
AlpineExile
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Pouring the occasional pints of piss over himself and checking which way it flowed ... possibly.
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Can you ask it on the 'flat earth again' thread marra please. This thread is quite difficult to keep on topic so I understand.
If flat earth is true my belief in aliens is blown out of the water
Are we living in a ‘golden age’ of political conspiracy theories and what does belief in them tell us about voters and politicians?
Why are so many of us drawn to the notion of shadowy forces controlling political events? And are conspiracy theories, in which things always happen for a reason and where good is always pitted against evil, simply an exaggerated version of our everyday political thinking?
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AlpineExile
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That Universal Suffrage might not have been the bestest of ideas?Can you ask it on the 'flat earth again' thread marra please. This thread is quite difficult to keep on topic so I understand.
If flat earth is true my belief in aliens is blown out of the water
Are we living in a ‘golden age’ of political conspiracy theories and what does belief in them tell us about voters and politicians?
Why are so many of us drawn to the notion of shadowy forces controlling political events? And are conspiracy theories, in which things always happen for a reason and where good is always pitted against evil, simply an exaggerated version of our everyday political thinking?
After all, America is still trying to recover from the after effects of women's suffrage ...
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I honestly don't know what I'm talking about marra - had loads of drugs and shit but this thread is entertaining enough to keep me on here.
BigPete
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DaveH
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Sorry for making this about one particular topic. I fed the troll on something I know a fair bit about deliberately as an experiment and to give a few ‘live’ examples for my thoughts on them.
Conspiracy theorists are not as daft as they seem, they are quite subtle and calculated in their arguments, which feeds what I believe is something very needy inside them. The internet provides two things to them. It puts them in touch with those who share ideas, or at least gives them ideas to carry forward, but it also gives a platform to fulfil that need.
It is hard not to respond to something that is completely ridiculous and I know I have been suckered in to it a few times. In real life you would quickly walk away from such loonacy but things like message boards, facebook posts provide that itch that people can’t help but come back and scratch. You walk away from something today and it is still there tomorrow, so you can still come back to it. That excites the conspiracy theorist, it is what they want.
What I have observed from their part is big bold statements like there is a flat earth, but when pushed for anything to back it up, they are lacking. You get the handwaving, sweeping statements but no actual substance. The argument is then quickly turned to an attack on the accepted truth. Rather than defend, they attack, which riles people so they come back for more, rather than have something bizarre to point and laugh at. That is why I pushed our resident flattard to admitting he could not produce a diagram, could not provide anything. If you look at every response, it is carefully planned to attack the normal view with a subtle smugness and belittling in there “oh I used to think like you before I became that bit more enlightened”. Not a vicious attack but the sort of thing that gently winds people up. Claim you are saying you are not better than anyone else, then nodding ‘but I am’.
I don’t want to make this into a political thread, but Boris’s job is to sell his ideas and remain as PM. He does the same, makes statements, but when pressed for detail he waves his hands, offers no substance then attacks the alternative, known these days as the ‘but Corbyn’ defence. For balance I will say that both sides do it, like Remain back in the referendum, just attacked leave rather than offering much about the positives of their argument - though that one didn’t work as successfully. Never the less, it is quite interesting to watch for those traits and how people react to them.
Back to our conspiracy nuts, watch carefully and you will find that desperate desire for attention. At times their attacks go beyond absurd, with the last few pages of the most recent flat earth thread being examples of some of the strangest claims I have ever seen. I think ‘magnetism is a type of wind’ was one. Even just a ‘wtf’ gives that little ping notification they need. Others use the phrases “well I dont have all the answers but.....” then attacks again.
Deep down, I think they have something lacking. They need to feel special, need that attention and need to feel they are wanted somewhere for what they bring, even if that is the modern role of the court jester. Such a shame, because when you look at how they pull the strings it is not too much, not too little, just enough to give them what they desire. That is clearly intelligence at work, even if a lot of it is subconscious. If they only put that brain power into the area they have chosen to dismiss, they would probably love learning about it, but that does not gain you much attention from others, so does not fulfill them like crazy claims does.
Conspiracy theorists are not as daft as they seem, they are quite subtle and calculated in their arguments, which feeds what I believe is something very needy inside them. The internet provides two things to them. It puts them in touch with those who share ideas, or at least gives them ideas to carry forward, but it also gives a platform to fulfil that need.
It is hard not to respond to something that is completely ridiculous and I know I have been suckered in to it a few times. In real life you would quickly walk away from such loonacy but things like message boards, facebook posts provide that itch that people can’t help but come back and scratch. You walk away from something today and it is still there tomorrow, so you can still come back to it. That excites the conspiracy theorist, it is what they want.
What I have observed from their part is big bold statements like there is a flat earth, but when pushed for anything to back it up, they are lacking. You get the handwaving, sweeping statements but no actual substance. The argument is then quickly turned to an attack on the accepted truth. Rather than defend, they attack, which riles people so they come back for more, rather than have something bizarre to point and laugh at. That is why I pushed our resident flattard to admitting he could not produce a diagram, could not provide anything. If you look at every response, it is carefully planned to attack the normal view with a subtle smugness and belittling in there “oh I used to think like you before I became that bit more enlightened”. Not a vicious attack but the sort of thing that gently winds people up. Claim you are saying you are not better than anyone else, then nodding ‘but I am’.
I don’t want to make this into a political thread, but Boris’s job is to sell his ideas and remain as PM. He does the same, makes statements, but when pressed for detail he waves his hands, offers no substance then attacks the alternative, known these days as the ‘but Corbyn’ defence. For balance I will say that both sides do it, like Remain back in the referendum, just attacked leave rather than offering much about the positives of their argument - though that one didn’t work as successfully. Never the less, it is quite interesting to watch for those traits and how people react to them.
Back to our conspiracy nuts, watch carefully and you will find that desperate desire for attention. At times their attacks go beyond absurd, with the last few pages of the most recent flat earth thread being examples of some of the strangest claims I have ever seen. I think ‘magnetism is a type of wind’ was one. Even just a ‘wtf’ gives that little ping notification they need. Others use the phrases “well I dont have all the answers but.....” then attacks again.
Deep down, I think they have something lacking. They need to feel special, need that attention and need to feel they are wanted somewhere for what they bring, even if that is the modern role of the court jester. Such a shame, because when you look at how they pull the strings it is not too much, not too little, just enough to give them what they desire. That is clearly intelligence at work, even if a lot of it is subconscious. If they only put that brain power into the area they have chosen to dismiss, they would probably love learning about it, but that does not gain you much attention from others, so does not fulfill them like crazy claims does.
Ilios
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That isn't 'logic', that is your own inferential reasoning. Logic is a system, and if you put garbage in, you'll get garbage out. You have no idea what you're talking about, and seem to think that 'x is false if I can't understand it' - well, maybe you're not omniscient, and should learn about fallacies.
'Water will always find it's own level because it is not a globe' - I'm not even sure what that sentence means as it is verging on self-contradictory, but I'll hazard a guess (based on what you responded to) that you mean 'water will always flow down hill'.
That's a complete non-sequitur, and begs the question - 2 fallacies in one. The conclusion is assumed without evidence, and doesn't even logically follow. You might as well have said 'every time I eat chips I stop being hungry, therefore there can be no such thing as famine'.
bobster999
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Nukehasslefan
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A telescope doesn't let you see farther it simply magnifies what is in that line of sight. It gives your eyes the light from the farthest point your eyes can pick up that light and magnifies it.
Have I?
I explained them in the parsnip topic that a poster has put up above.
Water will find its own level, including those drops.
That's you making assumptions based on what you perceive from your side.
Feel free to evaluate me in any way shape or form but remember it's only pertinent to you and anyone that wishes to adhere to what you say. It means absolutely nothing to me, other than for me to respond and then forget.
I'm saying water will always find its own level as we observe it and it does so because earth is not a globe and has to be a different set up to actually hold that water.
My theory caters for that. A globe does not.
No, what I'm saying is, I fill a bowl with water and that water stays in the bowl,therefore water is contained and level and conforms to the container its in.
Something you cannot do....by logic....on a globe.
You are under no obligation to respond to me in any way shape or form. You choose to do it because you clearly like to debate your side as your perceived truth against my disbelief in your perceived truth with snippets from my side of alternative musing against your perceived truth.
A person who questions something told as a truth only becomes a conspiracy theorist or nut when those questions are against some kind of authority. Basically, do not question authority or you will be labelled a nut in all variations of the word, nut.
It's not hard.
If I saw something that I thought was nuts or I didn't think it was worth entering into that debate then I'd stay out of it. I stay out of any amount of topics for varying reasons. I surmise people keep out of this for their varying reasons.
People like you come into it for whatever reason you give but you do have a choice of who you deal with and you can easily overlook me. I honestly suggest you do it if this is causing you grief.
When the globe model has been fine tuned to fit a narrative over many many years with everything trick in the book added in to ensure it conforms to scrutiny each time it's picked apart, then of course any other theory is going to struggle against that and individual people are not going to be able to simply invent their own stuff and have it taken seriously like we have to take mainstream ideals seriously.
hat's exactly what I see of global earth theories, seriously.
It just takes a bit of time to actually sit and think about what I've actually had pummeled into my head to realise I've been duped.
You accept it all and argue from your side that I'm a nut and you're correct based on being tutored into your way of thinking. That's not a dig, it's reality.
Who's ding the attacking?
If you call what I'm saying an attack then what are you and the likes doing?
Just accept it as debate. You don't have to like what I say or even respond but using attack and what not as some kind of one upmanship isn't going to get us anywhere.
Could not or would not?
What are you going to provide from your own head?
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BigPete
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What would be the point though?
It would all just be a big waste of time as nobody would care if we lived on a globe, discs of a square if nothing changed anyway.
Put all that effort into a pointless subject either way, makes you look like a nutter and even if you are right (which you aren't) then so what we live on a disc?
Nukehasslefan
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It's not carefully planned to attack anyone other than to simply say that I do not conform to a global model in the way we're told. That's basically it.
It shouldn't affect you. You're steadfast in your belief's and I'm more than happy to accept that even if I will counter argue your arguments for it.
My traits are simple. I debate what I believe has worth to me. I counter argue what is argued against what I think.
I hold zero malice for anyone and try to ensure I'm as respectful as possible. That's basically it.
I can't help it if people get upset when I can't be forced to see it their way.
This lengthy post by yourself is telling, don't you think?
Who are your audience?
You seem to be beckoning people to come and watch the lesser spotted lunatic or something.
"Now here, carefully walk towards the bush. Can you see those ears sticking up from behind that log over there?....That's the prick eared conspiracy nut, also known to the DaveH tribe as the lesser spotted lunatic and are still classed as vermin, so most people try to wipe them out."
Sorry mate but I had to have a bit of a sly dig there. It just seems a bit hypocritical in the way you're attacking in your own subtle way and doing all the things you accuse myself and others of.
I simply do not believe we live on a globe, spinning or otherwise. I have my reasons and I put them forward. That's basically it. No one should need to get worked up about it. If you don't think I'm right then hammer me down with your truth's but ensure it is a truth and not something you accepted as a truth because that's what people think it is and what was taught in schools and what not.
Walk out your front door. You have no clue what you're walking on except what you know to be called ground and looking up at a sky.
You can't simply say, " oh it's easy to see we're stood on a spinning globe."
I might have all kinds lacking. I can only be me and do the things I feel capable of doing and also thinking.
That could be a major issue for some.
You can base anything you like on words on a forum and I'm happy for you to do so if it helps get things off your chest.
You may be a psychologist in everyday life. I don't know you so I can't judge you as a person.
I'll evaluate what you bring to the forum in your DaveH name, in terms of debate and then forget about your name until I see it again on a post of mine.
About as simple as that really.
No animosity from my part but I will have light hearted comebacks when I feel the need. Feel free to carry on with whatever you feel you need to say, no matter what.
Looks like we can both write war and peace novels.
You mean you don't care and you believe many others don't care. I'd agree with that in a sense. Most probably don't care, because most probably aren't that way inclined to bother with this stuff and a lot of other stuff that seems pointless to them.
But then again that does not cater for all, does it?
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DaveH
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Point made. It needs to respond, it needs a reaction and is in there with the little attack on the standard model, claiming again "you don't have a clue". Just that little jibe, little attack on me hoping I will come back to prove why I do have a clue, provide more argument and evidence to wave away in absurdity. It is that need coming through, troll them and they will feed me.
BigPete
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It wouldn't affect anybodies lives everything would go on as usual so what would be the point in even pretending we are on a globe in the first place?
Nukehasslefan
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It depends on what you're happy with.
In your normal everyday life nothing changes for you whether you think the earth is a globe or flat or whether we're really just tiny organisms in a petri dish in a lab, because whatever you think that cannot be verified is essentially nothing more than everyday musing about anything, whether it's a fear of a roaming tyrannosaurus or the potential dream of a flying unicorn.
Basically you simply go along with what you can think and what is shown to you are your reality, whether that's in a text book or by pictures or by video.
Nothing changes for you.
Now here's the but what if scenario.
What if you were paying for something every week for most of your life only to find it was all a scam?
Would that affect you or would you accept you've been duped and the money's gone and just carry on trusting anything and everything around you as told to you and sold to you?
Of course you can say, " so what's this globe cost me?"
It depends on where the start and end of the potential duping comes into it all. If one lie can be told, so can two and so can 100 and so on and so on.
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