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Parkmaverick said:
It was Gary the Hair who caused the losses - before he came in we hired the stadium out and got a fee and so many tickets. He came in and tried to run his own concert company for within by employing loads of people. At one point we had more admin staff than Man Utd. With the overheads being so high and him not being able to negotiate fees we started to make a loss and only grants for the council meant we made any profit. Once the council bailed that was it. Gary Hair then decamped to Wembley to do the same but was quickly found out. If we went back to hiring out the stadium or a less expensive model - If Durham Cricket Club can make a profit on say Simple Minds or Hardwick can run 2 day events - why can't we.
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"1973 events" or something, wasn't it ?
Edit - Just seen @Grumpy Old Man post - 1879
 
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chriswallace85 said:
Neeone tours without a proper promoter though. There's neeway the Beyonce gig will have happened on that basis.
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The tour promoter will run things from the performer's standpoint, and will opt for hiring venues for a fee (taking on the concert risk themselves) or taking a fixed performance payment and laying off the risk to the venue. There are sometimes subtle differences in the wording you might see on a ticket. "Promoter X presents" suggests they've just hired the venue, whereas "Venue Y in association with promoter X" suggests they're getting a fee instead. Often the promoter and the performer's management are one and the same.
 
chriswallace85 said:
Neeone tours without a proper promoter though. There's neeway the Beyonce gig will have happened on that basis.
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Aye there will be a tour promoter, but he will be out to make as much money for himself and the band.
For example;

An established and successful tour promoter (let's call him Harvey) knows (through years of experience) that a 50K sell out gig well ran will yield him a net £1million
A less than experienced venue manager and with an ego to feed (let's call him Garfield) offers to take on the event management and pay a guarenteed £1.25 million.
Harvey negotiates saying to Garfield I know this could yield me £1.75mill but would take a guarantee of £1.5 mill. Garfield bites his hand off. Harvey is up £0.5 mill and has reduced his risk.
The inexperienced and vane Garfield then makes a complete arse of the cost management side of things and clears £0.5 mill, but still has to pay Harvey his £1.5mill.
Harvey is still the tour promoter and is up on his initial expectations.
Meanwhile the venue has made a loss of £1 million quid, but Garfield's employers don't realise as they are haemorrhaging money all over the place.
 
is BobBob lost said:
Aye there will be a tour promoter, but he will be out to make as much money for himself and the band.
For example;

An established and successful tour promoter (let's call him Harvey) knows (through years of experience) that a 50K sell out gig well ran will yield him a net £1million
A less than experienced venue manager and with an ego to feed (let's call him Garfield) offers to take on the event management and pay a guarenteed £1.25 million.
Harvey negotiates saying to Garfield I know this could yield me £1.75mill but would take a guarantee of £1.5 mill. Garfield bites his hand off. Harvey is up £0.5 mill and has reduced his risk.
The inexperienced and vane Garfield then makes a complete arse of the cost management side of things and clears £0.5 mill, but still has to pay Harvey his £1.5mill.
Harvey is still the tour promoter and is up on his initial expectations.
Meanwhile the venue has made a loss of £1 million quid, but Garfield's employers don't realise as they are haemorrhaging money all over the place.
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Plausible I suppose.
 
Brett said:
I really have no idea how we lost money, when we were getting all the food and drink revenue and the rent for the stadium someone must be doing something badly wrong to actually lose on the deal.

The only concerts that sold badly where RHCP (was a stupid booking) , Bon Jovi and Pink. All the others were pretty much sell outs so would be interesting to see what actually went on.
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Bon Jovi had 40k + and made a profit RHCP 35k but they had just played Newcastle area in the December which was as you say bizarre - think we still made money out of it (not a lot). Pink no idea what the attendance for that was but Rhiannon pulled out of SOL when tickets sales logistics got in the way so I would have assumed that any time sufficient ticket sales logistics weren't available then a concert would have been pulled.
b1gals said:
"1973 events" or something, wasn't it ?
Edit - Just seen @Grumpy Old Man post - 1879
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I couldn't remember the name of the company either.
is BobBob lost said:
Aye there will be a tour promoter, but he will be out to make as much money for himself and the band.
For example;

An established and successful tour promoter (let's call him Harvey) knows (through years of experience) that a 50K sell out gig well ran will yield him a net £1million
A less than experienced venue manager and with an ego to feed (let's call him Garfield) offers to take on the event management and pay a guarenteed £1.25 million.
Harvey negotiates saying to Garfield I know this could yield me £1.75mill but would take a guarantee of £1.5 mill. Garfield bites his hand off. Harvey is up £0.5 mill and has reduced his risk.
The inexperienced and vane Garfield then makes a complete arse of the cost management side of things and clears £0.5 mill, but still has to pay Harvey his £1.5mill.
Harvey is still the tour promoter and is up on his initial expectations.
Meanwhile the venue has made a loss of £1 million quid, but Garfield's employers don't realise as they are haemorrhaging money all over the place.
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There's no way that something as stupid as that would be allowed at our club errrrrrrrrr oh! hang on a minute.
 
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I haven't read this whole thread so this might have been said already but Methven and Donald work part time, so I've no idea who would be responsible for trying to secure new concerts. Davison and Moiseley have both left and not been replaced.
 
Slow joe said:
Theres no point at all in lying. Everyone reading knows it's a lie and so do you. What a waste of everyone's time.
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Only I know if I’m lying. Anything else is speculation. If I’m wasting your time then don’t waste any more of it replying ya sossidge.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
As @Parkmaverick says above, the company set up by Gary the Hair to do the concerts and corporate events side (1879 Events Management) incurred significant losses from its inception. With hindsight, it looks like nothing more than empire building by an overambitious manager. Once he left, and the decision was made not to attract further concerts, that side of things was quietly brought back in house, and 1879 is no longer trading.
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I’m sure he has something to do with Antler bar on the roundabout in Newcastle. Must be the only boozer in Newcastle that’s always empty when I go past
 
officerbill said:
When SD announced two gigs last year and it ended up being just the spice girls, I have it on good authority the 2nd one cancelled was some mob called Rammstein. Apparently Sunderland cancelled it for some reason..
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Rammstein's 2019 stadium tour was huge and they were selling out massive stadia within seconds of going on sale everywhere they played. For whatever reason they only ended up including one UK show. If Sunderland were asked to host a Rammstein concert and they turned them down, then that was massive mistake - they'd have sold out the Stadium of Light easily and made us lots of money. In doesn't make a difference if their music is to your taste or not.
 
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officerbill said:
When SD announced two gigs last year and it ended up being just the spice girls, I have it on good authority the 2nd one cancelled was some mob called Rammstein. Apparently Sunderland cancelled it for some reason..
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It was an opera.
Dilligaf60 said:
Only if it’s proven. Go ahead and prove it. I dares ya.
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Slow joe said:
It isn't speculation it's fact.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Arguing ower whether ya'd shit the curtains if Madge was dein Like A Prayer in the back yard FFS.
 
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