Significant investment by FPP has been made

[Northumberland Rocks]

,i rember them spending more than all the other teams jin their legaue combined..and having the buggest budgte for wages and tranfers in their league..

people on here act as though safc were well run before these owners came in..they were..safc was the worst run club in england for a decade..it demonstrably had more staff than was needed even at premier legaue level..a terrible football recruitment department, terrible, and unqualified football negotairs..and corrupt wscouts..
im glad all of those people were fired..they deserved it..

were psome opeople who were good at their jobs also fired? probably..but it wont have been many..no one who left on the football side was any good, exceot maybe one guy,
and on the non football side the biggest chunk of wage reductionw as losing the ceo and direcror of change.

I dont think many would disagree with that assessment.

Mr Short's money was on thw whole wasted. Thankfully he did the honrouable thing in writing the debt off. We have a lot to thank him for.

Hopefully lessons have been learned for Mr Donald and Mr Methven and the American investors.

 

[oddbod]

define high up? could have been anyone-just not someone who knew anything?
the phrase "pme of the richest football clubs in the world" was put on here multiple times by posters who dont underatand business..

the fanzines could hjust have nciked it from there..the recent interview one of them did with methven weas full of phrases from them that are on this iste..

The fact that i said high up and the post would be deleted if i said names is a massive clue fella!The fellas at roker report and to a lesser extent ALS are intellegent folk not unlike yourself so i cannot fathom why they would do what the did without the direct nod from someone in the know! who they respect ..........your version makes them look like complete tools and they are not that ........ They produced a T shirt ffs!

 

[OldNewtown]

Juan paid £3 million for 20% values the club at £15 million. A 75% controlling interest would be £11,250,000

Just saying....

I keep seeing this comment but I also recall a comment by SD that the £3M was the initial payment only and that as further payments were made to Short Juan would also have to put further monies in.

 

[sir rowell cummins]

,i rember them spending more than all the other teams jin their legaue combined..and having the buggest budgte for wages and tranfers in their league..

people on here act as though safc were well run before these owners came in..they were..safc was the worst run club in england for a decade..it demonstrably had more staff than was needed even at premier legaue level..a terrible football recruitment department, terrible, and unqualified football negotairs..and corrupt wscouts..
im glad all of those people were fired..they deserved it..

were psome opeople who were good at their jobs also fired? probably..but it wont have been many..no one who left on the football side was any good, exceot maybe one guy,
and on the non football side the biggest chunk of wage reductionw as losing the ceo and direcror of change.

It depends what narrative you want to spin. We spent more than others but we also had record levels of reduction and higher income, during that ‘Man City level’ spend we came 5th and saw a shameful decline of our academy while the real Man City were strengthening and performing - investment also means buying quality to make gains in the future - I’d suggest we invested in nothing but invested time in making us lean but crap. The truth is always somewhere in the middle but you always land on the ‘kindly Donald is our saviour’ narrative. We are shit at football. Hopefully our saviours improve from now on and make us less shit at the thing we do - winning football games. They haven’t balanced it correctly and I’d argue it has probably cost us which isn’t good business.

 

[kildaremackem]

It depends what narrative you want to spin. We spent more than others but we also had record levels of reduction and higher income, during that ‘Man City level’ spend we came 5th and saw a shameful decline of our academy while the real Man City were strengthening and performing - investment also means buying quality to make gains in the future - I’d suggest we invested in nothing but invested time in making us lean but crap. The truth is always somewhere in the middle but you always land on the ‘kindly Donald is our saviour’ narrative. We are shit at football. Hopefully our saviours improve from now on and make us less shit at the thing we do - winning football games. They haven’t balanced it correctly and I’d argue it has probably cost us which isn’t good business.

what decline in our academy? the u23 team are not an academy team.
we came fifth because despite all the spending..we appointed the wrong people, inclusing a first team manager.
i dont think doandl is a saviour..but then i dont think a football club of safcs size should need a savious..we supposedly have statutr..yet people think we are small time enough to need a billioanire to come in and empty his pockets just for us to be siccessful..yet the only clubs who need that are the small time ones who dont have the potential to be big time.

 

[sir rowell cummins]

what decline in our academy? the u23 team are not an academy team.
we came fifth because despite all the spending..we appointed the wrong people, inclusing a first team manager.
i dont think doandl is a saviour..but then i dont think a football club of safcs size should need a savious..we supposedly have statutr..yet people think we are small time enough to need a billioanire to come in and empty his pockets just for us to be siccessful..yet the only clubs who need that are the small time ones who dont have the potential to be big time.

Are you serious ? That there has been no decline in our academy ? Listen, I get that savings were needed and I get that we need to be sustainable but there is a balance in it. I think we got the balance wrong - some good was done eg the hard work in losing arseholes on high wages- I genuinely applaud that but in order to be sustainable you also have to be successful and on an upward trajectory to attract the income to make you sustainable. We’re at the minimum two years away from the big income, probably three or four - we could have been one or two - half of that. Bad business. This isn’t all Ross’s fault- the fall guy - only partly so.

 

[Mackem Tommy]

Are you serious ? That there has been no decline in our academy ? Listen, I get that savings were needed and I get that we need to be sustainable but there is a balance in it. I think we got the balance wrong - some good was done eg the hard work in losing arseholes on high wages- I genuinely applaud that but in order to be sustainable you also have to be successful and on an upward trajectory to attract the income to make you sustainable. We’re at the minimum two years away from the big income, probably three or four - we could have been one or two - half of that. Bad business. This isn’t all Ross’s fault- the fall guy - only partly so.

Easy to say in hindsight mate. I know it's a game of small margins but we wouldn't be having any of these conversations had we bothered to show up at Wembley (though of course evenbeing in the play-offs was falling a little short).

 

[kildaremackem]

Are you serious ? That there has been no decline in our academy ? Listen, I get that savings were needed and I get that we need to be sustainable but there is a balance in it. I think we got the balance wrong - some good was done eg the hard work in losing arseholes on high wages- I genuinely applaud that but in order to be sustainable you also have to be successful and on an upward trajectory to attract the income to make you sustainable. We’re at the minimum two years away from the big income, probably three or four - we could have been one or two - half of that. Bad business. This isn’t all Ross’s fault- the fall guy - only partly so.

our turnover exclusding para payments was higher last year than the previous year..they have grown the income.
im not saying your wrong about the academy-im asking for evidnec..in the decade ive read this site people always compaliend about the academy and the jobs for the boys cuture.
there is a thread on an u23 gamne today, and they lost..and people arew hing babout the acdemy manager..despite the u23s not being an academy team.

 

[beam1234]

Are you serious ? That there has been no decline in our academy ? Listen, I get that savings were needed and I get that we need to be sustainable but there is a balance in it. I think we got the balance wrong - some good was done eg the hard work in losing arseholes on high wages- I genuinely applaud that but in order to be sustainable you also have to be successful and on an upward trajectory to attract the income to make you sustainable. We’re at the minimum two years away from the big income, probably three or four - we could have been one or two - half of that. Bad business. This isn’t all Ross’s fault- the fall guy - only partly so.

Our academy is the best in the country. We outperform every other academy up to the age of 15 when the Prem clubs take our players and there is nothing we can do about it. The academy is brilliant though. Once they get to 17 they are offered contracts and no longer in the academy.

 

[JL1985]

I’m happy for the money to be spent on infrastructure and scouting/academy rather than being (most probably) wasted on players.

 

[sir rowell cummins]

our turnover exclusding para payments was higher last year than the previous year..they have grown the income.
im not saying your wrong about the academy-im asking for evidnec..in the decade ive read this site people always compaliend about the academy and the jobs for the boys cuture.
there is a thread on an u23 gamne today, and they lost..and people arew hing babout the acdemy manager..despite the u23s not being an academy team.

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[niknak_123]

Can’t be a coincidence that we are 100% for games won since the investment

 

[kildaremackem]

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right wsi thats one academy team doing shit..how are the others doing? havent they been winning lots of tournaments?

 

[Rogue Badger]

Our academy is the best in the country. We outperform every other academy up to the age of 15 when the Prem clubs take our players and there is nothing we can do about it. The academy is brilliant though. Once they get to 17 they are offered contracts and no longer in the academy.

Hopefully the investment reverses the trend. If the situation persists there is no point running an academy. It’s the conclusion Brentford arrived at and you can see the logic. Why should we spend 3 million quid a year to help Liverpool and Arsenal?

It would be a very sad day but I can see more and more teams giving up Cat 1 status.

 

[beam1234]

Hopefully the investment reverses the trend. If the situation persists there is no point running an academy. It’s the conclusion Brentford arrived at and you can see the logic. Why should we spend 3 million quid a year to help Liverpool and Arsenal?

It would be a very sad day but I can see more and more teams giving up Cat 1 status.

Well we get £2.5m pa from Prem for being a Cat1 academy. One 15 yo poached, we get 400k. After that it’s profit.

Hopefully the investment reverses the trend. If the situation persists there is no point running an academy. It’s the conclusion Brentford arrived at and you can see the logic. Why should we spend 3 million quid a year to help Liverpool and Arsenal?

It would be a very sad day but I can see more and more teams giving up Cat 1 status.

My bet is that the investment will be spent on recruiting 17 yo lads. Once we have them on contract we are protected.

 

[The Jarra Wanderer]

what you wre told on the tin wasnt by donald..
£10m isnt ticking over level at league one..its a vast bounty..we were the mancity of egaue on before this..but even ,more so now..

I must say, I agree with posh pants on this one.

 

[sir rowell cummins]

right wsi thats one academy team doing shit..how are the others doing? havent they been winning lots of tournaments?

Go on then. What are the ‘lots of tournaments’ they’ve been winning?

 

[kildaremackem]

I keep seeing this comment but I also recall a comment by SD that the £3M was the initial payment only and that as further payments were made to Short Juan would also have to put further monies in.

Cm said in his interview this week that juan put nore cash in recently..

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

I hope that's how it's being worked tbh. I was desperate for FPP to get on board (as we all were) but I mentioned before that the value of the club probably hasn't massively increased since Donald and Methven came in. That seemed a shame, we couldn't really expect them to sell up for minimal/ no profit having seemingly done a good job on the commercial/ financial side and having worked their balls off without taking a wage! This way would address that, it gives them a chance to really succeed through the extra investment and gives them a well deserved chance to make very good money out of it. Donald talked about being here about 5 years, it could even tie in with that. It would probably suit all parties tbh, I'm sure FPP would happily pay more for SAFC in a higher league, with better infrastructure, effectively they're paying more for a vastly reduced risk. Just hope everyone gets behind it now and gives them a chance, the future looks positive again

Good post mate.

 

[Rogue Badger]

Well we get £2.5m pa from Prem for being a Cat1 academy. One 15 yo poached, we get 400k. After that it’s profit.

My bet is that the investment will be spent on recruiting 17 yo lads. Once we have them on contract we are protected.

And if we produce one premier league standard full back we can sell them for 15 million. Pickford has essentially paid for the AOL.

It’s why it’s worth investing in and having the money to do so is great news. I think increasingly teams outside the premier league will think ‘sod it!’ The advantage won’t be immediate but it will be significant.