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4th Ashes Test - Old Trafford

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Jap Stammer said:
I reckon the Aussies will want another 150ish to set a (probably) out of reach total.

England need try to keep the pressure on but not allow them to get away so they have to use all of this last session. We do not want to be batting tonight unless they make a competitive declaration.
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Nah 100 max. They'll set England a target of 360-380 absolute tops, there's no way England are chasing anything down above 350 in a single day. Their run rate in the first innings was barely 3.
 

sonson said:
That's just nonsense like. Put Kallis or Ponting or Smith or Langer or Ponting or Dravid or Sehwag or Lara or Amlla or Jayawardene in their prime against either of these attacks and I think they could bat for days. Those are just batsmen from the 00's.

Smith is a freak but I likewise think he stands out in a context in which very few players in the world can bat a Test properly. Put him in the mix in the early 2000's and I'm not sure he would stand out.

And again, Roy wasn't forced into playing Test Cricket at the point of a gun. If he didn't want to open for England he didn't have to.
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Sorry, I have been biting my lip a bit on this thread, but I can't let this go.

I can't believe this statement

This Australian attack is absolutely world class, its the best group of bowlers the have brought to England in my lifetime

You are very much the "better in my day" type of fan.

If England lose this test its due to our bowling in the first innings, not the batting.


The bit about Smith too, he is one of the best test batsman of all time. He wouldn't stad out in the 00s? Is this a serious statement.

Sorry can't have lies like this being spouted about, had to say something.

Anyway, over and out, enjoy the rest of the test.
 
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Jap Stammer said:
I reckon the Aussies will want another 150ish to set a (probably) out of reach total.

England need try to keep the pressure on but not allow them to get away so they have to use all of this last session. We do not want to be batting tonight unless they make a competitive declaration.
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It's a delicate balance. As it stands, they have 4 sessions, albeit, longer sessions than the usual 30. 250 isn't enough, but if they go for 400 they may run out of time to bowl us out.

I'd make it a time issue - ask Smith and co to blast for an hour. If they get another 75 and out then so be it - that will be enough runs and enough time
 
Jap Stammer said:
I reckon the Aussies will want another 150ish to set a (probably) out of reach total.

England need try to keep the pressure on but not allow them to get away so they have to use all of this last session. We do not want to be batting tonight unless they make a competitive declaration.
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Declare and have 40 minutes tonight.

England 25/2 at stumps.
 
The Rat said:
Sorry, I have been biting my lip a bit on this thread, but I can't let this go.

I can't believe this statement

This Australian attack is absolutely world class, its the best group of bowlers the have brought to England in my lifetime

You are very much the "better in my day" type of fan.

If England lose this test its due to our bowling in the first innings, not the batting.


The bit about Smith too, he is one of the best test batsman of all time. He wouldn't stad out in the 00s? Is this a serious statement.

Sorry can't have lies like this being spouted about, had to say something.

Anyway, over and out, enjoy the rest of the test.
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That's a bold statement. Unless you are 13 years old, then I'd suggest the attack of McGrath, Warne, Lee and Gillespie was superior to this current Australian attack
 
TopCat said:
That's a bold statement. Unless you are 13 years old, then I'd suggest the attack of McGrath, Warne, Lee and Gillespie was superior to this current Australian attack
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Slight hyperbole maybe? This attack is very, very good but it's no where near as good as the 4 you've mentioned there.
 
The Rat said:
Sorry, I have been biting my lip a bit on this thread, but I can't let this go.

I can't believe this statement

This Australian attack is absolutely world class, its the best group of bowlers the have brought to England in my lifetime

You are very much the "better in my day" type of fan.

If England lose this test its due to our bowling in the first innings, not the batting.


The bit about Smith too, he is one of the best test batsman of all time. He wouldn't stad out in the 00s? Is this a serious statement.

Sorry can't have lies like this being spouted about, had to say something.

Anyway, over and out, enjoy the rest of the test.
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It’s really not a better attack than McGrath, Warne, Gillespie and Lee
 
TopCat said:
That's a bold statement. Unless you are 13 years old, then I'd suggest the attack of McGrath, Warne, Lee and Gillespie was superior to this current Australian attack
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I don’t think Lee and the Gillespie that was here in 2005 are better test match bowlers than Hazlewood and Cummins mind. However as a 4 when you add in 2 of the greatest of all time they have to be a better 4
 
If I were Australia I would risk a lowish total here. Even if they lose here they can still win the Ashes.

Draws are not easy to get, Australia don't have the batting capability of trying to sit in and draw a game on purpose especially if there are 5 good days of weather. England win the toss and it could be a repeat of 2009 again.
 
Sharpshooter said:
If I were Australia I would risk a lowish total here. Even if they lose here they can still win the Ashes.

Draws are not easy to get, Australia don't have the batting capability of trying to sit in and draw a game on purpose especially if there are 5 good days of weather. England win the toss and it could be a repeat of 2009 again.
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No point in them risking it? Draw is a much better result for them than us.
 
gavlarsafc89 said:
What am a watching here from Root? Keep leach one end and rotate archer and broad, we need wickets if we any small chance of winning, Overton doesn’t exactly worry the opposition, every 30 balls he bowls he gets one decent one, woeful
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Agree.

it's obvious they are trying to get us in tonight with what they see as an unassailable lead.

We should be making it as hard as possible for them - force them to use up overs and time. That can only work in our favour.
 
dixonsafc said:
No point in them risking it? Draw is a much better result for them than us.
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Australia can still win the ashes with a defeat here, draws aren't easy to get without weather intervention and it looks like the long range forecast suggests 5 good days of weather at the Oval.

I think England going into a game trying to win and Australia trying to draw it suits England.

They should declare at 330 and back themselves. I think England can get a draw here if they have 10 wickets in hand by the end of today.
 
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