Takeover Rumours

[CARLOS CLASS]

The current owners have pushed this and Methven is well connected. Red Bull seem to have been genuine contenders and may well have alerted 'Dell'.

As I said, before this broke, SAFC was a fabulous opportunity for serious investors. It already had a stadium and facilities that are good enough to be tarted up and put straight back into the PL. If they've looked at our gates, during our PL era, they'd have no worries about support. If you compare all that with the likes of other 'available' clubs it just doesn't compare. I suppose the answer is 'why not Sunderland'? The support is passionate, home and away, but cause few problems and there's a well established branch set up with supporters spread all over the country.

Most of that is guesswork btw, all I've been told is what I posted previously.

And there’s more coming on Netflix! Profile of us on the US could become massive, people love a story. We could be the Rocky of “soccer”

The team is Rocky, Micky is Micky D

Where did this come from mate?

It’s been widely reported - it’s good news

More guesswork from me but I see this as a catalyst to motivate local people/business, the council, MP's, etc to invest time, money and effort.

I don't believe the Dell people will be arriving with cases full of money to throw at the area.

And it would be crass to engage in any John Hall style Geordie Nation stupidity imo. We all have an interest in our club and we'll all feel better about it if we pull together rather than just watch money being thrown at us.

Like I said earlier this is 95% guesswork 4% gossip and 1% actual info. But I feel so confident I've stuck my neck out and said this will definitely happen, the investment is serious and the plan long term.

If this all goes wrong I'll probably leave the board in shame tbh.

You won’t need to mate. It’s happening

 

[Turnip from the Tip]

Google efl fit and proper person test

I don’t need to as I listened to an interview on sportsweek yesterday with Debbie Jevons who is on the board of the efl.

The so called fit and proper persons test is actually an owner and fire tor’s test. It was passed by Steve Dale when he acquired Bury despite later going on to declare he’s not a football fan and didn’t even realise Bury had a football team, before he bought them.

 

[Deleted member 14766]

Can I just be perfectly clear on this please?

There’s an impending takeover by a wealthy consortium who won’t be able to spend much more money than we’re currently spending due to the ffp rules that limit that sort of thing? If it happens.

That’s even if their prospective takeover is predicated on the principle that they’re actually willing to spend a lot of money over and above whatever they pay to the owners (within the rules) ... but assuming they do, with the intent of investing in a company that, via promotions to the higher leagues, will be in a position to earn more... but probably only if they spend more once and if we get there.

Anyway. The current owners will still ‘run’ the club. The players will still be the same - at least till January... and possibly beyond because of ffp etc etc. And the manager, coaching staff and scouting set up and the tactics and all that will still be the same.

Stewart Donald will be wealthier.

Is that the full position?

Help me out here cuz this is a genuine question. Pre ffp rules big investment could buy you a whole new team overnight (a la Man City it Chelsea) but that’s not possible anymore. So what, if any, difference will the takeover, if it happens, make to the performance on the pitch and increase the likelihood of promotion. Is it just that we’ll be in a better position to compete if and when we are promoted? Or will it only impact when we’re in the position of earning big via tv money in the premiership when the balance between earnings and spending is more equitable?

 

[Mickdundee]

Agree, I love the club but I was born in Consett. I have no particular feelings for any city or town except for the place I was born and grew up in.

I’ve spent a grand total of 18months living in the North East, and as it was the first 18m of my life I have no memory of it. It was also Burnopfield so mainly Mags - I have no ties whatsoever with the city of Sunderland my connection is through family ties.

Even my family links to the club are my granddad (mum’s side), who lived his whole life in Stanley, and my dad who was born and raised near Consett. Not exactly what I’d call the Sunderland “area”.

 

[Chip]

Spot on mate,i unfortunately think those pulling the deal apart arnt all mags.I said on here yesterday why are we having post after post asking how many of them are billionaires.When this is rubber stamped they will move onto wheres all the big signings then even if window is closed.

You are probably right unfortunately. Can't please everyone no matter what it seems.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Proof required for this post please GOM or delete... thanks.

Which part? That the investment vehicle won't be MSD Partners, but something new set up by the individuals is evident from a careful reading of the press, particularly sources like the FT and Bloomberg. For the rest, we'll have to wait and see, but it's been mentioned to me by more than one person I know and independently of each other. Of course, none of this is remotely relevant until the deal completes. Louise Taylor in the Guardian this morning suggests that its only awaiting EFL ratification. The other thing to note is that if you look at their previous investment behaviour, they are long-term developers and strategists. Everything I've heard to date suggests that this is going to be the case here. They won't be out to make a quick buck.

 

[Deleted member 29601]

That bridge has been getting mentions ever since the SOL opened to be fair. No idea if it’s ever been an actual plan but it would be welcomed by a lot of people.

I wouldn't fancy walking over it. Town bridge freaks me out when it's windy

 

[Hot Since 82]

I wouldn't fancy walking over it. Town bridge freaks me out when it's windy

Do you not like those bridges made from rope and planks of wood that twist and turn and wobble like fuck then

 

[richest]

Which part? That the investment vehicle won't be MSD Partners, but something new set up by the individuals is evident from a careful reading of the press, particularly sources like the FT and Bloomberg. For the rest, we'll have to wait and see, but it's been mentioned to me by more than one person I know and independently of each other. Of course, none of this is remotely relevant until the deal completes. Louise Taylor in the Guardian this morning suggests that its only awaiting EFL ratification. The other thing to note is that if you look at their previous investment behaviour, they are long-term developers and strategists. Everything I've heard to date suggests that this is going to be the case here. They won't be out to make a quick buck.

So in other words based on previous deals and press guesswork. Ok I see but not really proof as too the plans for SAFC.

 

[CARLOS CLASS]

Which part? That the investment vehicle won't be MSD Partners, but something new set up by the individuals is evident from a careful reading of the press, particularly sources like the FT and Bloomberg. For the rest, we'll have to wait and see, but it's been mentioned to me by more than one person I know and independently of each other. Of course, none of this is remotely relevant until the deal completes. Louise Taylor in the Guardian this morning suggests that its only awaiting EFL ratification. The other thing to note is that if you look at their previous investment behaviour, they are long-term developers and strategists. Everything I've heard to date suggests that this is going to be the case here. They won't be out to make a quick buck.

This is a great article, these guys are serial winners and ultra smart, clearly.

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We’ve hit the jackpot here ladies and gentlemen. The fact that they are buying us as individuals rather than through MSD is also a great strategy as they aren’t beholding to create short term (or actually even long term) returns.

The reality is anything that anyone could dream of in terms of financial return would be largely irrelevant to them such is their wealth.

Charlie and Stewart May well have created a cause here. If they have and these guys get wrapped up in SAFC and the emotional side of it then the sky is the limit

 

[Yankee Mackem]

That bridge has been getting mentions ever since the SOL opened to be fair. No idea if it’s ever been an actual plan but it would be welcomed by a lot of people.

If they made a zipline to the SOL from the pubs, and charged a fiver a go, they'd soon have enough for a bridge.

 

[Hulkster]

It's not really a question of how rich owners are, but how much of their own money they are prepared to waste on a football club.

Then there is the question of even if they are prepared to give a club their money, how much can they do that in the era of 'Financial Fair Play', and will they do it in such a way that it doesn't leave the club bankrupt when they've had enough?

 

[Hot Since 82]

Which part? That the investment vehicle won't be MSD Partners, but something new set up by the individuals is evident from a careful reading of the press, particularly sources like the FT and Bloomberg. For the rest, we'll have to wait and see, but it's been mentioned to me by more than one person I know and independently of each other. Of course, none of this is remotely relevant until the deal completes. Louise Taylor in the Guardian this morning suggests that its only awaiting EFL ratification. The other thing to note is that if you look at their previous investment behaviour, they are long-term developers and strategists. Everything I've heard to date suggests that this is going to be the case here. They won't be out to make a quick buck.

Do you think there's an element of philanthropy going on here in addition to still making reasonable rates of return, akin to part of the return being an ethical or social dividend if you will. Clearly these fellas get bombarded daily with far better money making opportunities than presented by safc?

 

[Royal_blue_90]

Which part? That the investment vehicle won't be MSD Partners, but something new set up by the individuals is evident from a careful reading of the press, particularly sources like the FT and Bloomberg. For the rest, we'll have to wait and see, but it's been mentioned to me by more than one person I know and independently of each other. Of course, none of this is remotely relevant until the deal completes. Louise Taylor in the Guardian this morning suggests that its only awaiting EFL ratification. The other thing to note is that if you look at their previous investment behaviour, they are long-term developers and strategists. Everything I've heard to date suggests that this is going to be the case here. They won't be out to make a quick buck.

Like our owners at Portsmouth. Building things brick by brick ... we’ve been in some dark places the last few years as a club like yourselves, some people have very short memories though and they seem to expect new owners to come in and do everything over night so their club is ready to compete for the World Cup

 

[ab 65]

More guesswork from me but I see this as a catalyst to motivate local people/business, the council, MP's, etc to invest time, money and effort.

I don't believe the Dell people will be arriving with cases full of money to throw at the area.

And it would be crass to engage in any John Hall style Geordie Nation stupidity imo. We all have an interest in our club and we'll all feel better about it if we pull together rather than just watch money being thrown at us.

Like I said earlier this is 95% guesswork 4% gossip and 1% actual info. But I feel so confident I've stuck my neck out and said this will definitely happen, the investment is serious and the plan long term.

If this all goes wrong I'll probably leave the board in shame tbh.

I don’t know you personally but from your posts on here over a long period you’ve never come across as someone who’d make things up to try and look good.

I appreciate what you and a few of the others have posted and understand that there are things you can’t share at this stage.

It does seem just to be a case of the EFL criteria to be met and when it is announced it will give the city a huge boost.
Cheers for the information mate. Much appreciated.

 

[Reiver]

I don’t need to as I listened to an interview on sportsweek yesterday with Debbie Jevons who is on the board of the efl.

The so called fit and proper persons test is actually an owner and fire tor’s test. It was passed by Steve Dale when he acquired Bury despite later going on to declare he’s not a football fan and didn’t even realise Bury had a football team, before he bought them.

Donald

Can I just be perfectly clear on this please?

There’s an impending takeover by a wealthy consortium who won’t be able to spend much more money than we’re currently spending due to the ffp rules that limit that sort of thing? If it happens.

That’s even if their prospective takeover is predicated on the principle that they’re actually willing to spend a lot of money over and above whatever they pay to the owners (within the rules) ... but assuming they do, with the intent of investing in a company that, via promotions to the higher leagues, will be in a position to earn more... but probably only if they spend more once and if we get there.

Anyway. The current owners will still ‘run’ the club. The players will still be the same - at least till January... and possibly beyond because of ffp etc etc. And the manager, coaching staff and scouting set up and the tactics and all that will still be the same.

Stewart Donald will be wealthier.

Is that the full position?

Help me out here cuz this is a genuine question. Pre ffp rules big investment could buy you a whole new team overnight (a la Man City it Chelsea) but that’s not possible anymore. So what, if any, difference will the takeover, if it happens, make to the performance on the pitch and increase the likelihood of promotion. Is it just that we’ll be in a better position to compete if and when we are promoted? Or will it only impact when we’re in the position of earning big via tv money in the premiership when the balance between earnings and spending is more equitable?

Full House on 'negativity bingo' ...
... remember to collect your prize on the way out.

 

[Hulkenburger]

Like our owners at Portsmouth. Building things brick by brick ... we’ve been in some dark places the last few years as a club like yourselves, some people have very short memories though and they seem to expect new owners to come in and do everything over night so their club is ready to compete for the World Cup

Aren't Portsmouth owned directly by an investment company? More akin to being controlled by MSD Partners.

 

[Deleted member 43563]

It's not really a question of how rich owners are, but how much of their own money they are prepared to waste on a football club.

Then there is the question of even if they are prepared to give a club their money, how much can they do that in the era of 'Financial Fair Play', and will they do it in such a way that it doesn't leave the club bankrupt when they've had enough?

Not so much waste as club is in quite a sound position financially. Lot of work last year seen to that.

Good proposition SAFC is. Red Bull thought that also.

 

[HarrogateMackem]

I hope they’ll be willing to sit down with the likes of ALS, WMS and/or Roker Report after the deal goes through and answer fans questions. I know they’re super rich, but I don’t want the distance between fans and ownership to go back to the Pre-Donald days.

 

[AC Mack]

None of this should bother you at all. Rid yourself of your bad dreams and be sensible about how our club benefits rather than how it does not benefit NUFC. It does not concern NUFC. It is about us. Don’t give them a second thought.

I think we have greater ambition than to be better than NUFC.Why so many bothered how our future is comparable with any other club!

Spot on mate. I wouldn't have even given Newcastle a second thought were it not for their continual mention on here. Who gives a fuck about Newcastle, man? It's nothing to do with them.