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Parkside said:
Lees and Raine were appointed long before North took up post.
He took a punt on Short who was a gamble given he was unproven in T20.
He signed Handscomb who has been distinctly moderate.
We were awarded WC games long before North was here.
Organisation of WC games was entirely in the hands of ICC including ticket sales.
He overhauled the coaching staff to appoint a fancy titled head coach without any coaching experience.
He failed to appoint both a batting coach and a T20 coach.
All positive ambitious stuff??
We'll have 12 full time playing staff under contract at the end of the season.
I think I'll reserve judgement.
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Short unproven? 572 runs in the Big Bash in 2017-2018, where he was named player of the tournament. International T20 average of 33. I'm fully aware when we were awarded the world cup games, I said "oversaw" and the club deserve huge credit, it was a tremendous occasion for the club. If it went tits up, folk would rightly criticise so only fair they get praise. The club had a big say in the organisation of the world cup games. 100% ambitious for him to come in and overhaul the coaching department, why continue with a failing project under Lewis? Fair play for having the bottle and desire to try something different. As for the T20 coaching stuff, I'm genuinely not arsed about that but worth noting the 2nds got to finals day this season. I'm not privy to the contracts of the players but like with all new coaches, some players will leave, some will be brought in. I'm happy and encouraged with this season. People getting wound up about T20 to sum up a season is a tad funny, it does make me laugh. As for appointing a coach with no experience.... Franklin has to start at some point... Paul Collingwood didn't have any coaching history once upon a time. Walker and Lewis were very experienced and we were going backwards under them. Jose Mourinho didn't even play 100 games as a footballer... How dare someone think he would be a good manager. Micheal Di Venuto didn't have any coaching experience not too long ago, he's done well so far for himself...
 
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I'm all for giving different players a chance. I'm reading the Durham Facebook page and folk already questioning Franklin and North.... Pardon my language but fuck off eh? They've been at the club 5 mins. Comments like "What has North done".... Well he attracted Short to the club, oversaw the club host several top class World cup games which earned the club 2 million and tonight attract a record crowd and overhauled the coaching staff which was never going to bring instant success, at least he's had the bottle to get rid of the old guard who were past their sell by date. All positive ambitious stuff. Franklin.... I'm happy what I've seen this season, I'm genuinely interested to know what folk expected this season when I see people questioning him on Facebook already. The one day cup was a massive improvement on last season, S.Steel a massive plus and young bowlers given game time, very unfortunate not to qualify. County Championship I feel we are doing well, 11 points off promotion with 3 to play, not the worst outcome after recent years, last season especially utter dross. T20 pffft not too fussed, good to see Scott Steel doing well but the batting in T20 I agree is a concern Steel and Short excluded. You've got to rotate the squad at times and the effort the lads put in Vs Leicestershire I was amazed to see Carse playing tonight.
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Agree. Rarely ever look at the Clubs Facebook page so don't know what goes on. North and Franklin have both played cricket at the highest level, so must know the score. All I want is that we improve bit by bit and build a solid platform, that we can push on from. I think we are on the right track. It seems Franklin gives players a chance then is quite ruthless if they don't perform. Ryan Pringle was scoring runs in the Seconds, was given a role in the CC Firsts but didn't kick on, now released. Poynton was made T20 captain but didn't play tonight, assumed dropped. Seems fair enough to me and I am more than willing to sit back and see what he can do. It cant just be coincidence that, in the same season, Bancroft, Short and Handscombe have all been tempted to come to DCCC who are, at the moment, a lowly Div 2 club?
 
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Agree. Rarely ever look at the Clubs Facebook page so don't know what goes on. North and Franklin have both played cricket at the highest level, so must know the score. All I want is that we improve bit by bit and build a solid platform, that we can push on from. I think we are on the right track. It seems Franklin gives players a chance then is quite ruthless if they don't perform. Ryan Pringle was scoring runs in the Seconds, was given a role in the CC Firsts but didn't kick on, now released. Poynton was made T20 captain but didn't play tonight, assumed dropped. Seems fair enough to me and I am more than willing to sit back and see what he can do. It cant just be coincidence that, in the same season, Bancroft, Short and Handscombe have all been tempted to come to DCCC who are, at the moment, a lowly Div 2 club?
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That's another thing I like about Franklin. He isn't afraid to drop players. Look at Lewis last season in the county championship last season... You could predict the team and the outcome every game apart from 1 where we had an injury crisis and were forced to play the kids and we won!!. Totally forgot about Bancroft. I'm just bemused as to what folk were expecting this season. It seems some folk just base a full season on a handful of home T20 games, absolutely ludicrous. Poynter was dropped tonight, he was at the game tonight, played for the seconds earlier this week.
 
But he hasn't overhauled either the coaching staff or the playing staff. It's easy not to renew contracts, to drop players,the challenge is to replace them with better.
Batting and T20 coaching positions remain vacant, 2 senior batsmen have departed. I await to see the coaching positions filled and departing senior players replaced by better. Until so, North isn't doing his job. Granted all coaches have to start somewhere. Lead high performance coach doesn't appear to be a title for a rookie.
 
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But he hasn't overhauled either the coaching staff or the playing staff. It's easy not to renew contracts, to drop players,the challenge is to replace them with better.
Batting and T20 coaching positions remain vacant, 2 senior batsmen have departed. I await to see the coaching positions filled and departing senior players replaced by better. Until so, North isn't doing his job. Granted all coaches have to start somewhere. Lead high performance coach doesn't appear to be a title for a rookie.
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Bearing in mind we are still under a salary cap, improving with better isn't going to happen overnight when you're new to the job. He brought Eckersley in who has been a massive improvement. Departing senior players... Pringle.... Never kicked on.... Richardson forever given the dogs abuse on here.... Harding is no loss either. Will Smith had seen better days and agreed to leave the club. I've seen plenty new players this season in all formats, nice to see. I'm not going to get critical over a job title name either, that's just silly. "It's easy to drop players" - best tell Jon Lewis that. We also have a batting/spin bowling consultant at the club. It's late but who are the two senior batsmen who have left the club?
 
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Pringle and Harding weren't deserving of new contracts and undoubtedly Richardson and Smith are past their best. The challenge, though, is to replace them with better. Let's hope their player recruitment is better than their coaching recruitment. I'd expect a job title to reflect the duties you have to fulfill -a lead performance coach should therefore be directing other coaches. I'd question a person's credibility to do this without any previous knowledge of coaching. "Tell Jon Lewis that" comment I'll treat with the contempt it deserves. I do sincerely hope Durham recruit well in the close season. Recent T20 performances, however, have been lament able. The director of Cricket has overall responsibility for performance at all levels and has to share responsibility for that.That,of course, is if job titles mean anything.
 
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Parkside said:
Pringle and Harding weren't deserving of new contracts and undoubtedly Richardson and Smith are past their best. The challenge, though, is to replace them with better. Let's hope their player recruitment is better than their coaching recruitment. I'd expect a job title to reflect the duties you have to fulfill -a lead performance coach should therefore be directing other coaches. I'd question a person's credibility to do this without any previous knowledge of coaching. "Tell Jon Lewis that" comment I'll treat with the contempt it deserves. I do sincerely hope Durham recruit well in the close season. Recent T20 performances, however, have been lament able. The director of Cricket has overall responsibility for performance at all levels and has to share responsibility for that.That,of course, is if job titles mean anything.
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Surely the recruitment from other counties in the past 12 months by the old regime and the new one had been as successful as it ever has at Durham. It has been one of Durham's biggest failings in their time as a 1st class county.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
Surely the recruitment from other counties in the past 12 months by the old regime and the new one had been as successful as it ever has at Durham. It has been one of Durham's biggest failings in their time as a 1st class county.
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recruitment by Durham has been largely home grown and very successful as has external recruitment e.g. Benks, Divo, Gibson, Blackwell, Thorp, and latterly Lees and Raine. Eckersley is the sole recruit from the new regime although, I suspect , that came from a Raine recommendation. The acid test for the new regime will be the essential player recruitment during the close season. Until then, it would be premature to judge them although the failure to fill the batting and T20 coaching posts doesn't auger well.
I should add that Grant Flower was seen at the nets during the Worcester game coaching academy players. Flowers has since left his Pakistan coaching role. He would certainly be a creditable batting consultant.
 
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Parkside said:
recruitment by Durham has been largely home grown and very successful as has external recruitment e.g. Benks, Divo, Gibson, Blackwell, Thorp, and latterly Lees and Raine. Eckersley is the sole recruit from the new regime although, I suspect , that came from a Raine recommendation. The acid test for the new regime will be the essential player recruitment during the close season. Until then, it would be premature to judge them although the failure to fill the batting and T20 coaching posts doesn't auger well.
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I don't want to be picky but the homegrown talent is surely more about development.
One of the biggest reasons Durham where in the doldrums until the middle noughties was their signing a from other counties where poor.
The likes of Diva and Blackwell where fantastic signings but they cost an arm and a leg and the club in the long term could not afford them.
 
wayne entwhistle no9 said:
I don't want to be picky but the homegrown talent is surely more about development.
One of the biggest reasons Durham where in the doldrums until the middle noughties was their signing a from other counties where poor.
The likes of Diva and Blackwell where fantastic signings but they cost an arm and a leg and the club in the long term could not afford them.
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People want instant success it seems which is remarkably unfair on the club & coaches. Comments I've seen since the game last night are absolutely astounding. The club have made a lot of progress this season. I couldn't give a shit about job titles, I couldn't give much of a shit about the T20 either, certainly not to the extent of basing it on our season as some people are. I read one comment on social media last night saying "season realistically over" which sort of sums up the mentality of some people. One person also said we are miles off the likes of Notts....erm.... They haven't won a game in the Championship, finished a few points ahead of us in the one day cup and are just ahead in the T20.... Given they haven't been through the shit we have and seem to cherry pick players from other clubs, we aren't doing too badly. I just find it remarkable some expectations given this is a new era for the club under new management and new coaching. Massively unrealistic. Won't get any easier when other clubs are earning the big money in this new competition either.
 
Parkside said:
Lees and Raine were appointed long before North took up post.
He took a punt on Short who was a gamble given he was unproven in T20.
He signed Handscomb who has been distinctly moderate.
We were awarded WC games long before North was here.
Organisation of WC games was entirely in the hands of ICC including ticket sales.
He overhauled the coaching staff to appoint a fancy titled head coach without any coaching experience.
He failed to appoint both a batting coach and a T20 coach.
All positive ambitious stuff??
We'll have 12 full time playing staff under contract at the end of the season.
I think I'll reserve judgement but won't resort to obscenities.
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Short got best player in the big bash totally proven
 
Are we unable to qualify, i.e does it go on head-to-head results before Run Rate (if the former, us and Worcs on 14 points at the end means they go through?)
Ageing trundler said:
Are we unable to qualify, i.e does it go on head-to-head results before Run Rate (if the former, us and Worcs on 14 points at the end means they go through?)
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I can only find 2017s rules where it said net Run Rate so if this still applies, we're still in with the slimmest of chances...
 
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