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TravellingMackem said:
3) Sterlings second goal v West Ham this season - Aguero clearly offside and blocks the defender in front

20) That joke on Sunday
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I can't be arsed to check them all as I'm not aware of them all, however 2 recent ones I am.

20) That's the handball rule, not VAR

3) Aguero was not clearly blocking the defender or offside using current rules (I quoted you in another thread yet you're still saying this).

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Aguero clearly does not block the defender at all as seen here from 1:35 in the video below. If you watch closely the defender pushes Aguero away into an 'offside' position with both hands just before the pass from Mahrez.

 
sambantam82 said:
Fair enough. What does my head in is people saying VAR should only rule out 'clear and obvious' offsides without thinking through how utterly unworkable that is.
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It really isn't though. Just introduce an error band to cover the "Umpires Call" element and it highlights the stupid ones that are clearly wrong without picking out the most pedantic of offsides. It isn't right when a goal is ruled out because a man is 0.1mm offside in VAR, especially given the error that there is in VAR.

The TV has a frame rate of 60fps probably, which means that it can only be accurate to 0.05 seconds (roughly). Two sprinting players crossing can travel around 20cm in that time, so there is automatically a 20cm error band applied to any offside decision. This is before you consider angular momentum, rebound of the football, human error, etc. - if you could ACCURATELY say a guy is 0.1mm offside, then fair enough, but the mathematics states that you physically cannot.
 
What A Waster said:
That isn't the rule though. Deliberate doesn't come into it.
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Yes it does. The non-deliberate law is ONLY FOR ATTACKERS WHEN A GOAL IS SCORED. Yet another reason that this particular rule change is a fallasy
MackemX said:
I can't be arsed to check them all as I'm not aware of them all, however 2 recent ones I am.

20) That's the handball rule, not VAR

3) Aguero was not clearly blocking the defender or offside using current rules (I quoted you in another thread yet you're still saying this).

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Aguero clearly does not block the defender at all as seen here from 1:35 in the video below. If you watch closely the defender pushes Aguero away into an 'offside' position with both hands just before the pass from Mahrez.

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The defender in the still is taking a step to his left to cover Aguero, which opens the space for Sterling. How the fuck is he NOT interfering with play?
 
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TravellingMackem said:
Yes it does. The non-deliberate law is ONLY FOR ATTACKERS WHEN A GOAL IS SCORED. Yet another reason that this particular rule change is a fallasy
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He looked like he was hailing a taxi.
His arm was in a position which was making his body unnaturally bigger. Why does he need his arm pointing at row Z? He prevented a cross, so it was a penalty.
 
TravellingMackem said:
It really isn't though. Just introduce an error band to cover the "Umpires Call" element and it highlights the stupid ones that are clearly wrong without picking out the most pedantic of offsides. It isn't right when a goal is ruled out because a man is 0.1mm offside in VAR, especially given the error that there is in VAR.

The TV has a frame rate of 60fps probably, which means that it can only be accurate to 0.05 seconds (roughly). Two sprinting players crossing can travel around 20cm in that time, so there is automatically a 20cm error band applied to any offside decision. This is before you consider angular momentum, rebound of the football, human error, etc. - if you could ACCURATELY say a guy is 0.1mm offside, then fair enough, but the mathematics states that you physically cannot.
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But then you will still have quibbling about mms either side of what has fallen either side of the limit of the error band. If you want consistency you just can't avoid mms.
 
What A Waster said:
He looked like he was hailing a taxi.
His arm was in a position which was making his body unnaturally bigger. Why does he need his arm pointing at row Z? He prevented a cross, so it was a penalty.
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He's pointing at his teammates to move. And it hits his chest first then onto his arm. Absolute joke of a decision
sambantam82 said:
But then you will still have quibbling about mms either side of what has fallen either side of the limit of the error band. If you want consistency you just can't avoid mms.
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Then therefore it is definitely offside. Unlike lots of the decisions at present, which depend on when a guy presses the pause button on his keyboard. I know which is fairer
 
TravellingMackem said:
He's pointing at his teammates to move. And it hits his chest first then onto his arm. Absolute joke of a decision


Then therefore it is definitely offside. Unlike lots of the decisions at present, which depend on when a guy presses the pause button on his keyboard. I know which is fairer
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The right decision was reached.
 
TravellingMackem said:
I could point to the France v Croatia World Cup Final when VAR incorrectly allowed both of Frances first two goals, to counter this argument. VAR gets just as much wrong, just gets other things wrong
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What was wrong with the 1st goal? Is it something before the free kick?

Is the 2nd one not the ref who went over to review it as VAR told him about a potential handball. He then gave the penalty once he watched what he clearly couldn't see through all the players. However that's his interpretation, one person and it's impossible that the majority will agree with his decision. Even the ESPN poll after had it split and that's why people will moan about VAR in just the same way as they would the ref in the past as it's down to intepretation and will be forever debatable.

 
What A Waster said:
People are the problem. If they'd familiarise themselves with the changes in the laws of the game, they'd realise VAR was only helping them be applied correctly
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It's good that you are here to educate all of us idiots then. How do you explain the Rodri penalty that wasn't given yesterday? What new law eliminates that?
 
TravellingMackem said:
He's pointing at his teammates to move. And it hits his chest first then onto his arm. Absolute joke of a decision
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He's stupid for raising his arm in the box in the first place. That means players could just start pointing arl ower the place and claim their arm was in a natural position :lol:

 
What A Waster said:
The distance isn't a mitigating factor.
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Sounds like you need to familiarise yourself with the rules before criticising others. This is the rule, copied from FIFA's website:

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:

  • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
  • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
  • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence
Pretty sure that does include the distance as a mitigating factor. Unless I am too stupid to read?
 
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