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But playing devil's advocate.....had Levy/Lewis ran/owned the mags could they have achieved the same? Or is geography/economics always working against them (and us, if ever we rise from the Phoenix again)? The author of that article is a good pal of mine and loves winding Mags up. Not quite as much as he loves winding Palace fans up though.
I don't know but Ashley isn't to blame for everything as the club was sinking when he came in. I didn't even know Hall was trying to sell his shares for a few years either. Ashley is to blame for some of the stuff but is it not the managers and ultimately the players who have let him down just like they did with us? The geographical thing is certainly an issue as the money to get the players required to get top 6 up here needs to higher than it would be in places nearer to London/Manchester. It's obvious why, as where would you want to live if you were a multi millionaire footballer and wanting to be in among the top celebrities (not just football) of the country along with far better and desirable amenities? Would you come up here cos your lass would want to nip down to Jackie White's market or pop along the Metro Centre to get some bargains?
 

Not even that. I haven't seen a single minute of the lad play.

Joelinton is shite anarl

so you've no idea what you are talking about , he was as expected, a bit of a live wire with not much at the end of it, we are all aware of the way he plays.
 
Absolutely can’t make head nor tail of this young man, as far as I know generally we were a f***ing good side before Ashley came, now we aren’t and never have been, that was my point, you didn’t need to waste ya time with the above marra :lol:
That's the point though, you were a good side but it was a very brief spell in the overall scheme of things as it wasn't the team you really are. This is what I've explained as you've never been a top 10 team prior to the Hall era. That Hall team was a team heavily financed due to the developing and growing Premier League, the increased revenue from TV money, developing Champions League etc. Leeds and Blackburn did the same as the gap between the big teams (wasn't as many then) wasn't as much as it is now. They both failed to survive the risks of spending big chasing the big money that was coming into the game and they eventually faded away into obscurity. Hall admitted he knew the game was up in 2003 when Chelsea started spending daft with Abramovich as Hall said this. Notice how it took a few years to sell his shares anarl so there wasn't really a queue of people waiting to buy into the brief 'success' you'd had.


It had been an exhilarating decade-and-a-half for at Newcastle, but the property developer knew his time as a football owner was coming to an end by June 2003. The moment Roman Abramovich acquired Chelsea and starting pumping hundreds of millions of pounds into the club, Sir John knew he could no longer compete. “It took a few years to sell. I’d gone around Europe chatting to people and trying to find a buyer,” the 84-year-old explains about how his 16-year ownership of the club came to an end.

“Then one day I got a call from an agent saying: ‘Do you want to sell your shares?’ I replied: ‘Yes, I want £1 a share.’. He explained that he had an interested party, so I went down to London and I only went down for the day initially. When I got there Ashley’s team ushered me into a huge lawyer’s office of people. Literally they wanted to do the deal there and then. I said: ‘What about due diligence?’ They said: ‘We don’t want to do due diligence, we just want to do it quickly.’”

The Sports DIrect magnate paid £55,342.223 - £1 a share - for Sir John’s 41.6 per cent stake in United. Ashley even forwent the opportunity to perform due diligence, which is normal practice with such sizeable deals, because he was so keen for a swift deal. “I got slated – by Douglas and Freddy – but I felt it was the right thing to do at the time. And I stick by it, to this day.”


Hall knew the money required to compete with the likes of Chelsea spending millions was ridiculous as the game was developing. Man City obviously came along in 2008 and made it even harder to get into Champions League. Ashley came along eager as owt as he jumped in stupidly without checking the full financial situation of NUFC. He simply didn't have the extra money to throw at NUFC as he ended up hoying in £140m to pay off the debts to stop the interest. They also had a high wages to revenue ratio also plus the club being relegated in his 2nd season didn't help the revenue. Imagine if he'd been able to spend that on players though, things may well have been different but he couldn't and you'd reverted back to the team you were prior to 1992. It's as simple as that really.
 
I don't know but Ashley isn't to blame for everything as the club was sinking when he came in. I didn't even know Hall was trying to sell his shares for a few years either. Ashley is to blame for some of the stuff but is it not the managers and ultimately the players who have let him down just like they did with us? The geographical thing is certainly an issue as the money to get the players required to get top 6 up here needs to higher than it would be in places nearer to London/Manchester. It's obvious why, as where would you want to live if you were a multi millionaire footballer and wanting to be in among the top celebrities (not just football) of the country along with far better and desirable amenities? Would you come up here cos your lass would want to nip down to Jackie White's market or pop along the Metro Centre to get some bargains?


That's the point though, you were a good side but it was a very brief spell in the overall scheme of things as it wasn't the team you really are. This is what I've explained as you've never been a top 10 team prior to the Hall era. That Hall team was a team heavily financed due to the developing and growing Premier League, the increased revenue from TV money, developing Champions League etc. Leeds and Blackburn did the same as the gap between the big teams (wasn't as many then) wasn't as much as it is now. They both failed to survive the risks of spending big chasing the big money that was coming into the game and they eventually faded away into obscurity. Hall admitted he knew the game was up in 2003 when Chelsea started spending daft with Abramovich as Hall said this. Notice how it took a few years to sell his shares anarl so there wasn't really a queue of people waiting to buy into the brief 'success' you'd had.


It had been an exhilarating decade-and-a-half for at Newcastle, but the property developer knew his time as a football owner was coming to an end by June 2003. The moment Roman Abramovich acquired Chelsea and starting pumping hundreds of millions of pounds into the club, Sir John knew he could no longer compete. “It took a few years to sell. I’d gone around Europe chatting to people and trying to find a buyer,” the 84-year-old explains about how his 16-year ownership of the club came to an end.

“Then one day I got a call from an agent saying: ‘Do you want to sell your shares?’ I replied: ‘Yes, I want £1 a share.’. He explained that he had an interested party, so I went down to London and I only went down for the day initially. When I got there Ashley’s team ushered me into a huge lawyer’s office of people. Literally they wanted to do the deal there and then. I said: ‘What about due diligence?’ They said: ‘We don’t want to do due diligence, we just want to do it quickly.’”

The Sports DIrect magnate paid £55,342.223 - £1 a share - for Sir John’s 41.6 per cent stake in United. Ashley even forwent the opportunity to perform due diligence, which is normal practice with such sizeable deals, because he was so keen for a swift deal. “I got slated – by Douglas and Freddy – but I felt it was the right thing to do at the time. And I stick by it, to this day.”



Hall knew the money required to compete with the likes of Chelsea spending millions was ridiculous as the game was developing. Man City obviously came along in 2008 and made it even harder to get into Champions League. Ashley came along eager as owt as he jumped in stupidly without checking the full financial situation of NUFC. He simply didn't have the extra money to throw at NUFC as he ended up hoying in £140m to pay off the debts to stop the interest. They also had a high wages to revenue ratio also plus the club being relegated in his 2nd season didn't help the revenue. Imagine if he'd been able to spend that on players though, things may well have been different but he couldn't and you'd reverted back to the team you were prior to 1992. It's as simple as that really.


cheers, i hope your fingers hurt, didnt read :lol:
I'll be right.

He's shite

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cheers, i hope your fingers hurt, didnt read :lol:
This springs to mind :lol: Fancy coming on here talking shite then 'pretending' to ignore it due to being shot to shit when the truth is you basically have got fuck all to say in reply :lol: I hope it isn't raining then next time you go waving your "nee NET Spend", "Where's the money gone, 19th richest club in Europe" banners and shouting at shops :lol::lol:

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This springs to mind :lol: Fancy coming on here talking shite then 'pretending' to ignore it due to being shot to shit when the truth is you basically have got fuck all to say in reply :lol: I hope it isn't raining then next time you go waving your "nee NET Spend", "Where's the money gone, 19th richest club in Europe" banners and shouting at shops :lol::lol:

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Good song cheers.
 
This thread is class, I’ve not been on here for a few days(unlike the sad mag bastards).

Gorillachump getting a massive amount of sand in his gaping fanny, the meltdown has been a hilarious read.

The bullshitting snidey plastic mag still lying on a daily basis, rarely posts on here hahaha.

The mags are a fuckin shambles.
 
What relevance has where we were as a club nearly 30 years ago got to do with where we are today?

If you want to cite that I could mention how we had the ambition to attract an England international to the club in the early eighties before McKeag took control and sold off all of our assets (it was to fund development of the ground it is claimed) or how we had one of the best strikers in the country playing for us in the early seventies and we reached two cup finals or a few years before that we won our last trophy (I know, btw)

That kind of ambition but feel free to take that snapshot of McKeag’s administration as the overwhelming evidence for your point.
The relevance being that you're the team now that you were before Hall, a lower top table team with little progress in the domestic cups prior to Ashley and you need to go back to the 70's for any cup progression.

I presume you're talking about Keegan regarding the England international? Is that the 31 year old Keegan who was at the end of his playing career and was actually an ex-England International as he never played for England again while at NUFC? He's also said he thought he'd play for NUFC one day and it felt like coming home didn't he? So was it all ambtion that Keegan came to NUFC and nowt to do with him coming the the end of his career, childhood experiences from his Dad?

As for Malcolm McDonald, he was with NUFC from age 21 and I see you finished 11th, 9th, 15th, 15th, 15th in his 5 seasons so you didn't get far in the league with that ambiyion but coming up to his prime aged 26 they sold him to Arsenal. Some ambition that!

Is ambition the new NET spend? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

As for McKeag I can't be arsed to look into it as I don't have a clue so you can have that ;)
 
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If you are asking just to score points or expose ignorance theres no need-neither I or you or anybody on this forum knows the financial position at NUFC. Its like when fans get challenged to pick a better manager than Bruce without resorting to unrealistic shouts of Mourinho. Not our job (we are already working full time etc) to monitor & sift managers doing decent jobs in UK or elsewhere-you really hope thats what Ashley pays people for.
But in answer to your question the concensus seems to be he paid £135m for club & has invested same again-the latter bit being hard to quantify given the Sports Direct trade off etc. So say £300m max to make a profit. £250m to make a small loss. And as Short found its a lot easier to make a far bigger loss than a small one and hes not the only one.
I would say if he was so desperate to sell given the headaches & grief & need for continual investment somewhere between £200-£250m if serious wants to.

Fair enough ...

.... and what would you estimate he's asking?
 
I haven’t replied because you’re tedious as fuck and you labour to your point. On the rare occasion that you have one that you havent tediously droned on about in the past, that is.

Plus the whole ‘profit is meanigless’ thing and all...
f***ing hell that coming from you the most tedious poster on here
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so you've no idea what you are talking about , he was as expected, a bit of a live wire with not much at the end of it, we are all aware of the way he plays.
Sounds f***ing shite
 
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Watford bought a 35 year old Ben Foster last season. So they fail on the ‘over 29 exclusion’ rule. They’ve also just bought Craig Dawson. His Age? 29.

Try again.
Watford last 5 year
Signed 67 players - 6 were 29 or above or 6% of players signed

Newcastle last 5 year
Signed 43 players - 8 were 29 or above or 18% of players signed

As usual you're talking a load of shite.
 
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