Dylan McGeouch

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Some good points here, although I disagree about your Oxford assessment. He got on the ball and actually looked to make things happen. One of only three games I've seen McGeouch do that in his Sunderland career.

If people still aren't getting it, McGeouch doesn't need to assist and score, so long as he's contributing to attacks that lead to chances being created. That means getting the ball to our more creative players. So far he's not even doing that.

In fact, possibly the best thing about his play so far is that him keeping the ball means the opposition can't score.

Or give it direct to the opposition and they score from losing possession. Like he did against Burton.

It's a dangerous game keeping possession for the sake of it.

I dont rate him at all. Very little to his game apart from the pass back to the CB's or GK. Until he becomes consistently more braver on the ball I wont change my opinion.

 

[Abu Dhabi Red and White]

Or give it direct to the opposition and they score from losing possession. Like he did against Burton.

It's a dangerous game keeping possession for the sake of it.

I dont rate him at all. Very little to his game apart from the pass back to the CB's or GK. Until he becomes consistently more braver on the ball I wont change my opinion.

These types of passes should be recorded in a different way (in terms of stats) as they probably encourage the cowardly players and coaches to play safe all of the time.

 

[toomdog]

Are you serious? In Fernandinho and Kante, you have just compared two of the best box to box midfielders in world football to Dylan f***ing McGeouch. Both of those players are renowned for getting all over the pitch, having a superb defensive game with their aggression, reading of the game and ball winning skills, moving forward with the ball and transitioning between midfield and attack.

This is exactly what we want McGeouch to do, but exactly what he doesn't except for about three games in his whole Sunderland career to date.

If you want to make comparisons, try someone like Liam Bridcutt as a starter for ten.


There's a bit of a deeper lying Iniesta about him actually.

If you look at my comment I clearly highlighted that they are of a much higher quality!!!

My point is they in theory play the same position and my understanding of that position is to keep possession, not to turn the ball over, and build a footing within the game!

At no point did I say McGeouch has Kante’s workrate or even Fernandinho’s forward passing ability, what he does do is retain possession and very rarely does he give the ball away which is in my opinion the main reasons teams have players of that ilk in the team.

Now if you don’t mind!!! I’m off to compare Grigg to the fat Ronaldo or Marco Van Basten!!!

 

[Peterlee James]

Never passed forward in his Sunderland career, we are a team which struggles to create chances so he's not the best option in midfield surprisingly

He screens the back four really well and is tidy on the ball. I’m not even his biggest gan and that’s clear as day to see.

It’s not his role to create chances all the time which a lot of people on this forum think is his job strangely.

 

[rentaghost]

He screens the back four really well and is tidy on the ball. I’m not even his biggest gan and that’s clear as day to see.

It’s not his role to create chances all the time which a lot of people on this forum think is his job strangely.

Its debatable whether he does do that role very well as we always look susceptible to counter attacks but its not his only role to screen the back 4 either. If he was making interceptions to help turn defensive situations into attacking ones it would be fair enough. Don't treat our fans as idiots, he isn't expected to have many assists or goals but even your defensive midfielders have a responsibility to your attacking play and McGeoch doesn't do that.

 

[Edinburgh Black Cat]

I was in Edinburgh at the weekend and spoke to a Hibs supporting taxi driver about Dylan. He couldn't believe me when I said that Charlie Drake didn't push forward - he said that it must be down to the manger's instructions as Dylan was an attacking player at Easter Road.

He wasn't really an attacking player at Hibs either.

His main role was to keep shape, take pressure off the defence, bring the ball forward 15 yards and give it to one of the more technical players (Scott Allan / John McGinn) to do something with it. He was very very effective at it and was the guy that kept the team ticking.

Problem is that if he's surrounded by shite then it's just going to look like he's fannying about with the ball afraid to do anything.

Darren Fletcher (no, I'm not saying he's as good as Darren Fletcher) had a similar problem for Scotland - people expected him to be a superstar because he played for Man Utd. Reality was his job is to make others tick and it's not realistic to him to do more.

 

[Clueless]

He was our best player against Oxford and was the least of our problems yesterday.

I don’t understand why he’s being singled out every week.

He is being singled out because of all of last season’s summer signings, he was almost certainly the one who can be most likely identified as a choice made by Ross, rather than those included in the ‘bulk buying’ that took place to fill out the depleted squad.

Therefore, pursuant to the prosecution of some people’s agendas, he is guilty by association - the playing embodiment of Ross.

Cantana once disparaged Deschamps as being a mere ‘water carrier’ by comparison to the other, more flamboyant talents of himself and Ginola and subsequently Viera, Pires and Zidane. However, the response was that every team needs to have its ‘water carrier’ in order for the greater talents to flourish.

McGeouch has the capabilities to be SAFC’s ‘water carrier’.

 

[oldboy]

He's scored 4 goals in about 150 games, possibly has even less assists. Shite

Ngolo Kante has scored about 7 in the same amount of premier league games and he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

No saying McGeouch and Kante are the same type of player, just using it to emphasise there are lots of different types of midfielders in the modern game. If you used only goal and assist stats to determine quality you'd completely overlook one of the best players in the game.

Edit: someone else has made that comparison already.

 

[JimmyQuinn]

If ever a footballer epitomises his manager it’s this little fraud. Negative as hell, not a single shot on target in his SAFC career from our midfield dynamo. Slow, no presence, passes backwards and sideways and stops any sort of momentum. I can totally understand why Ross, who knew him so well from Scotland was hell bent on signing him and making him one of the highest paid players this league has ever seen. A negative sick note.

Maybe the issue stems from you having no idea which position he plays in...

 

[Geronimo]

Played 140 league games . Got 4 goals. From 2011 to date.

Abt 16 apps a season on average.

 

[rentaghost]

Ngolo Kante has scored about 7 in the same amount of premier league games and he's one of the best midfielders in the world.

No saying McGeouch and Kante are the same type of player, just using it to emphasise there are lots of different types of midfielders in the modern game. If you used only goal and assist stats to determine quality you'd completely overlook one of the best players in the game.

Edit: someone else has made that comparison already.

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I agree. I havent been impressed with McGeoch but those that use assists and goals to make their point for a defensive midfielder are as thick as mince. I want to see McGeoch protect his back 4, make interceptions to turnover possession and turn defensive situations into attacking ones. He isn't doing that well enough for me and is lacking the dynamism and urgency that the role needs at this level.

 

[gipetto]

If ever a footballer epitomises his manager it’s this little fraud. Negative as hell, not a single shot on target in his SAFC career from our midfield dynamo. Slow, no presence, passes backwards and sideways and stops any sort of momentum. I can totally understand why Ross, who knew him so well from Scotland was hell bent on signing him and making him one of the highest paid players this league has ever seen. A negative sick note.

Totally disagree. He's a good footballer.

 

[chriswallace85]

Or give it direct to the opposition and they score from losing possession. Like he did against Burton.

It's a dangerous game keeping possession for the sake of it.

I dont rate him at all. Very little to his game apart from the pass back to the CB's or GK. Until he becomes consistently more braver on the ball I wont change my opinion.

That blind pass into touch on Saturday was canny.

They scored from the resulting throw in.

He screens the back four really well and is tidy on the ball. I’m not even his biggest gan and that’s clear as day to see.

It’s not his role to create chances all the time which a lot of people on this forum think is his job strangely.

No he doesn't.

He is being singled out because of all of last season’s summer signings, he was almost certainly the one who can be most likely identified as a choice made by Ross, rather than those included in the ‘bulk buying’ that took place to fill out the depleted squad.

Therefore, pursuant to the prosecution of some people’s agendas, he is guilty by association - the playing embodiment of Ross.

Cantana once disparaged Deschamps as being a mere ‘water carrier’ by comparison to the other, more flamboyant talents of himself and Ginola and subsequently Viera, Pires and Zidane. However, the response was that every team needs to have its ‘water carrier’ in order for the greater talents to flourish.

McGeouch has the capabilities to be SAFC’s ‘water carrier’.

Love it when people get crazy ideas in their head to try and justify someone who's really just a bit shit.

The lad couldn't carry his fuckin shopping from Lidl man.

 

[Southcoast Mackem]

Never got the love he attracts from some on here, Leadbitter has more bite and vision so has to play instead of him, also his set piece taking is missed when he isn't playing, Power in if Grant isn't available and McGeoch third choice, he brings nothing to the table especially when he is as wasteful and soft as he was yesterday, when he was being lauded last week he did very little to actually impact the game in a positive way, he's basically Tommy Miller.

Surely Leadbitter can only play if he has 2 energetic midfielders around him (Dobson and O'Nien) doing the running for him

 

[chriswallace85]

Never got the love he attracts from some on here, Leadbitter has more bite and vision so has to play instead of him, also his set piece taking is missed when he isn't playing, Power in if Grant isn't available and McGeoch third choice, he brings nothing to the table especially when he is as wasteful and soft as he was yesterday, when he was being lauded last week he did very little to actually impact the game in a positive way, he's basically Tommy Miller.

He is soft like.

Surely Leadbitter can only play if he has 2 energetic midfielders around him (Dobson and O'Nien) doing the running for him

I'd have nee qualms with that.

I kna Grant's crackin' on, but I don't any less mobile than McGeouch like.

 

[Southcoast Mackem]

He is soft like.

I'd have nee qualms with that.

I kna Grant's crackin' on, but I don't any less mobile than McGeouch like.

To be honest i don't see him as much as most of you but going on the general consensus. We've been crying out for energy in midfield but probably need Grants experience and vision in there too.

 

[Clueless]

That blind pass into touch on Saturday was canny.

They scored from the resulting throw in.

No he doesn't.

Love it when people get crazy ideas in their head to try and justify someone who's really just a bit shit.

The lad couldn't carry his fuckin shopping from Lidl man.

I am not suggesting that McGeouch is as good as Deschamps. However, he carries out the same ‘keep things ticking over’ role.

The point is that he could be our Deschamps but he will never be our Zidane.

 

[chriswallace85]

I am not suggesting that McGeouch is as good as Deschamps. However, he carries out the same ‘keep things ticking over’ role.

The point is that he could be our Deschamps but he will never be our Zidane.

I don't think he does. It might be what he's supposed to be doing but I just don't think he's up to it - certainly not week in week out.

 

[Flea Market Trader]

I don't think he does. It might be what he's supposed to be doing but I just don't think he's up to it - certainly not week in week out.

Only a run in the team will decide if he is up to it or not. I personally think he is a very tidy footballer who ticks it over with his passing just nicely.

 

[Peterlee James]

That blind pass into touch on Saturday was canny.

They scored from the resulting throw in.

No he doesn't.

Love it when people get crazy ideas in their head to try and justify someone who's really just a bit shit.

The lad couldn't carry his fuckin shopping from Lidl man.

He was the best thing since sliced bread on here after the Oxford game bud