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FIRST ASHES TEST: Edgbaston

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We always knew that this would be the risk with Roy, lets see if he can learn from it. Should be others in the firing line before him, namely Denly, Ali and possibly Bairstow if he doesn't get a knock here. Buttler is too high at 5 also.
 

The Breen Machine said:
We always knew that this would be the risk with Roy, lets see if he can learn from it. Should be others in the firing line before him, namely Denly, Ali and possibly Bairstow if he doesn't get a knock here. Buttler is too high at 5 also.
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Denlys foot work is very poor, and he seems very ill disciplined from what I have seen of him.
 
smoker said:
Give owa. That's just one of many pivotal moments. You could equally point to Anderson breaking down in his first spell or Ali bowling like he was playing for Romania.
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Don't like that attitude. Blaming the ball change is a cop out. We would win with a better team playing good hard cricket.

Besides the Australians didn't change the ball the umpires did and they have to have a reason, they cannot change it just cos they wanted to or the other team said 'pretty please'.
 
dangermows said:
England take wickets = great bowling. Australia take wickets = shite batting. England score runs, great batting. Australia score runs = shite bowling.


Just looked, you didnt say that, which was why i pointed out it wouldnt get easier against the spinning ball. (You might have thought it though tbf).
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I’ve not once said England have batted well this match. For the most part they didn’t give their wickets away first innings. But I don’t see that as something commendable. It’s a given surely, that should be the bare minimum. As I said though England simply managed to stay in but they didn’t manage to post anything like the lead they needed to, on a very bat friendly pitch. So they didn’t bat well. I don’t see how anyone can say otherwise.
 
dangermows said:
England take wickets = great bowling. Australia take wickets = shite batting. England score runs, great batting. Australia score runs = shite bowling.


Just looked, you didnt say that, which was why i pointed out it wouldnt get easier against the spinning ball. (You might have thought it though tbf).
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Dont forget we are bottlers, cant handle the pressure etc etc. Honstly think people think these are robots. We are not the best team and both teams are even for me apart from smith. If we cant find a way to get to him then we will lose.

End of the day if someone needs dropping and someone given a chance than fair enough, but the way some people go on.
 
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Chappers said:
You do know that Australia are allowed to try and win and can be better than us.
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Yeah absolutely. I just don’t think it takes very much, because we’re slightly above average and we routinely fail to control the game when batting, which is a shame because it’s half the game.

But I’be not been cautious throughout as some sort of depressive reaction to the match. I’ve been cautious because I think we have more weaknesses than we do strengths. I’m consistent in my belief that England aren’t going to win any matches unless Aussie do us the sort of favours we not infrequently do other teams. I thought that months ago, it’s nothing new.
 
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Getting in and out first innings especially is what will cost us and is what costs us most games we lose. Root 50 and out, Stokes 50 and out, denly, Roy, buttler all in and out. Only Burns went and converted his start to something big. At parity for 4 wickets we should have had a much larger first innings lead than 90, and that’s where the game swung. That and retarded bowling to Smith.
 
The bottom line with Jason Roy is he's only getting a chance because numerous openers have failed miserably to nail down a test spot. Let's face it prior to his ton Burns looked like another for the scrap heap.

I'm happy to give Roy all summer to nail down a spot. He's a quality player in ODI's hopefully he can make the transition to test player.
 
Chappers said:
Dont forget we are bottlers, cant handle the pressure etc etc. Honstly think people think these are robots. We are not the best team and both teams are even for me apart from smith. If we cant find a way to get to him then we will lose.

End of the day if someone needs dropping and someone given a chance than fair enough, but the way some people go on.
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Don't read the thread if it bothers you, ya condescending arse.

Australia have been the better team but they haven't beaten a team playing at its full ability
 
Keith S30S said:
The bottom line with Jason Roy is he's only getting a chance because numerous openers have failed miserably to nail down a test spot. Let's face it prior to his ton Burns looked like another for the scrap heap.

I'm happy to give Roy all summer to nail down a spot. He's a quality player in ODI's hopefully he can make the transition to test player.
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He can just not as a opener!
 
Keith S30S said:
The bottom line with Jason Roy is he's only getting a chance because numerous openers have failed miserably to nail down a test spot. Let's face it prior to his ton Burns looked like another for the scrap heap.

I'm happy to give Roy all summer to nail down a spot. He's a quality player in ODI's hopefully he can make the transition to test player.
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Can we just give him a chance at number five?

Opening the batting in ODi and test cricket are poles apart as disciplines. One is about getting a good start, playing shots over the top against restricted field placings, the other taking the shine off a ball that can turn corners
 
Keith S30S said:
The bottom line with Jason Roy is he's only getting a chance because numerous openers have failed miserably to nail down a test spot. Let's face it prior to his ton Burns looked like another for the scrap heap.

I'm happy to give Roy all summer to nail down a spot. He's a quality player in ODI's hopefully he can make the transition to test player.
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Roy is clearly a talented batsman but is he the opener we need?

I think he'd be a much better option at 4 but that reopens the opener debate.
 
Maybe we should just accept that we don't have enough Test quality batsmen and play an extra bowler instead, with Woakes becoming more of a genuine all-rounder and Stokes more of a batsman? Assuming Anderson isn't fit, something like:

Burns
Roy
Root
Stokes
Bairstow/Buttler
Foakes w/k
Woakes
Curran
Archer
Broad
Leach

Looks a bit mental but the likes of Woakes and Curran usually end up scoring as many as our "genuine" batsmen anyway.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Maybe we should just accept that we don't have enough Test quality batsmen and play an extra bowler instead, with Woakes becoming more of a genuine all-rounder and Stokes more of a batsman? Assuming Anderson isn't fit, something like:

Burns
Roy
Root
Stokes
Bairstow/Buttler
Foakes w/k
Woakes
Curran
Archer
Broad
Leach

Looks a bit mental but the likes of Woakes and Curran usually end up scoring as many as our "genuine" batsmen anyway.
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Could they do worse with the bat?
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Maybe we should just accept that we don't have enough Test quality batsmen and play an extra bowler instead, with Woakes becoming more of a genuine all-rounder and Stokes more of a batsman? Assuming Anderson isn't fit, something like:

Burns
Roy
Root
Stokes
Bairstow/Buttler
Foakes w/k
Woakes
Curran
Archer
Broad
Leach

Looks a bit mental but the likes of Woakes and Curran usually end up scoring as many as our "genuine" batsmen anyway.
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Buttler and Bairstow both to play and no Foakes. Otherwise, that's the XI I'd have, assuming no Jimmy.
 
smoker said:
Can we just give him a chance at number five?

Opening the batting in ODi and test cricket are poles apart as disciplines. One is about getting a good start, playing shots over the top against restricted field placings, the other taking the shine off a ball that can turn corners
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So who opens from the awful opening talent puddle?
 
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