kildaremackem
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man utd lost money last quarter
Why don’t the 14 clubs in the top flight...
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That also shows how little revenue we create - we are down with the Swansea’s etc because 1. we were hardly ever on Sky and at a million quid a match that matters and 2. We had the lowest ticket prices in the league to try and keep people turning up despite having the worst product on offer. For example the mags made 50m quid more than we did in their last season. Prize money has gone up yes and they sell more tickets per game but the chunk of that is probably because they are on tv every other f***ing week
That also shows how little revenue we create - we are down with the Swansea’s etc because 1. we were hardly ever on Sky and at a million quid a match that matters and 2. We had the lowest ticket prices in the league to try and keep people turning up despite having the worst product on offer. For example the mags made 50m quid more than we did in their last season. Prize money has gone up yes and they sell more tickets per game but the chunk of that is probably because they are on tv every other f***ing week
kildaremackem
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and even at this level-league one- we charge fall less than portsmouth and certainly shouldnt have the worst product on offer...
chriswallace85
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I think you're getting carried away personally. Who will be a bigger club in the coming years - Real Madrid, or Spurs?
English clubs dominated European competition for a few seasons ten year ago - then there was a lull.
The best players will always gravitate to the biggest clubs regardless of monies involved.
The biggest clubs, were, are and probably always will be the biggest clubs. Who cares if Manchester United make more money than Leicester City? They always have done.
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Which means what exactly?
It's not as if they can't now buy players to boost their squad now is it? kildaremackem
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were man utd a big clubs in the 80s? they were certainly quite big-but no one would have had them as first choice to move to/...
they can spend-but they cant keep lsoing moeny while all round them make money-it narrows the gap a bit every year if it continues..Which means what exactly?
mickonline
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Leicester..........
billybumbler
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Maybe the top 6 could fuck off and join a Euro elite league with all the other top clubs.
Maybe they could afford a B team to stay behind in the domestic leagues.
Most of the big clubs could do this in case the euro thing collapses.
That may keep the premier league more level, with an incentive for the better players to end up in the elite division.
Just an idea, probably full of gaping holes but just having a little ramble as I'm also sick of the monopoly in the prem
Maybe they could afford a B team to stay behind in the domestic leagues.
Most of the big clubs could do this in case the euro thing collapses.
That may keep the premier league more level, with an incentive for the better players to end up in the elite division.
Just an idea, probably full of gaping holes but just having a little ramble as I'm also sick of the monopoly in the prem
chriswallace85
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They broke the British transfer fee to sign Bryan Robson and won the Cup a couple of times. They may have been in Liverpool's shadow but they were still a big club at top end of the table.
What would be the point in winning the league if the best teams aren't in it?
I've seen us win the league four times when the best teams aren't in it, and d'ya kna what, it's not the same.
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silky mackem
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Who honestly wants the big teams to leave?
Just so you might win the premier league tipping watford to the title. With Everton in 3rd closely followed by Crystal Palace...thrilling eh!
Just so you might win the premier league tipping watford to the title. With Everton in 3rd closely followed by Crystal Palace...thrilling eh!
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Aye the only team since 2005 to get a top 4 position apart from Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs!
That was mainly due to other teams all having a brain fart that season tripping over each other and 2nd place getting something like 71 points. Leicester timed it right with low budget players performing to their full potential consistently.
That's what makes it even more impressive an acheivement to be honest as no fucker else has been top 4 in 14 seasons!
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Grumpy Old Man
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Interesting take today on it in The Guardian. It looks like TV viewers and younger people prefer the Harlem Globetrotters to competitive matches You might not like it but star footballers not unpredictability turn on TV viewers | Sean Ingle
phillips10
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The NFL uses revenue sharing. I guess it’d have to be something similar.
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I'm not getting carried away at all as it's pretty plain to see that the billions that have come into the game (huge increase even in the last few years) that a huge chunk is now going to 6 clubs. This then give them the spending power if needed to dominate the top 6 places by paying fees for multiple players the rest of teams can't afford even 1 of and hoying huge wages at them also.
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That puts them in a far greater position to keep grabbing the European cash bonanza as it's virtually impossible now for other teams to break into it. Look at how strong some teams benches are now and what they are valued at. What player value did Man City have sitting on the bench for the FA Cup Final? It's bigger than some clubs are even worth!
The difference between top and bottom just a few seasons ago in 2015/16 was just over £30 million and most were within £20 million of each other but 2 seasons later thanks to the latest TV deal the gap is now £50 million. The same progression can be seen in the European competition money and hoying in the global exposure they are getting then it's no wonder the big 6 revenues are double the rest. Combined the top 6 also get more revenue than the other 14 teams!
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chriswallace85
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Hmm unconvinced of that. I think it'd be truer to say more people would rather watch City V Liverpool, than either City v Watford, or Watford v Palace.
Without a vested interest in 'lesser' clubs, not being a Sky customer I'm not particularly arsed about watching Bournemouth V Everton - MOTD will suffice there. Like anyone though I do like to watch the big games with the best players now and then but if it's a non-contest I sharp lose interest.
I haven't looked at a single one of your graphs yet marra - I couldn't really give a fuck. The same clubs have been topping these tables for donkey years. Figures inflate across the board, but (mostly) the same clubs gravitate. As is the case in the one table that actually matters.I'm not getting carried away at all as it's pretty plain to see that the billions that have come into the game (huge increase even in the last few years) that a huge chunk is now going to 6 clubs. This then give them the spending power if needed to dominate the top 6 places by paying fees for multiple players the rest of teams can't afford even 1 of and hoying huge wages at them also.
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That puts them in a far greater position to keep grabbing the European cash bonanza as it's virtually impossible now for other teams to break into it. Look at how strong some teams benches are now and what they are valued at. What player value did Man City have sitting on the bench for the FA Cup Final? It's bigger than some clubs are even worth!
The difference between top and bottom just a few seasons ago in 2015/16 was just over £30 million and most were within £20 million of each other but 2 seasons later thanks to the latest TV deal the gap is now £50 million. The same progression can be seen in the European competition money and hoying in the global exposure they are getting then it's no wonder the big 6 revenues are double the rest. Combined the top 6 also get more revenue than the other 14 teams!
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Why should Bournemouth have the same level of revenue as Manchester City?
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phillips10
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To make the competition fair? Why should the Dallas Cowboys have the same level of revenue as the f***ing Jacksonville Jaguars? The answer is to make the competition fair. It’s not f***ing rocket science.
Also add to that a lot of Man City’s revenue very dubiously comes from Etihad airways and the stadium naming rights. Financial Fair Play eh?
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That's probably why what your saying about it's always been the same is incorrect
The same clubs haven't been dominating the top for donkeys years at all if you go back as far as you said. Maybe 1 or 2 at a time dominated periods in the 80's and 90's but it's different now. It's a clear big 6 now have been top 6 the last 3 seasons and at least 8 points ahead of the rest! In fact the season before Leicester won it the big 6 gap was 7 points to the rest so it's just progressively getting bigger with a blip once in a generation.
As I asked, how many teams (and how many times) made top 4 between 1970 and 1990? I can think of plenty straight away yet in the last 14 seasons there's been just the 1 non big 6 team which was Leicester on 2015-16. Winning the Premier League is well beyond other teams and that's why fans of those teams now see the competition itself not as attractive given 14 teams have little chance of winning it but the football on the pitch itself isn't boring.
How many times do you think the big 6 have been out of the top 6 this season from the very first game?
Man City, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea have all been in the top 6 all season. It took Arsenal 6 games to get top 6 and stay there. They probably didn't get top 6 as their first 2 games they played Man City and Chelsea and lost them so really it only took them 4 games to get back into the top 6!
The only blip was that it took Man Utd 15 games to get a stable top 6 position plus they'd been top 6 twice before getting stable. So basically 4 teams have constantly been top 6 and Arsenal for 32 games and Man Utd for the 23 games!
So of the 6 places over 38 games, that's 228 places up for grabs. The big 6 occupied 209 of those places and that's only due to Man Utd being at most 3 points, the majority of the time, behind 6th.
And some are trying to say it's like it's always been? Even we got to the dizzy heights of Champions League places this century along with numerous others that season and other seasons. Yet this season there's only been 19 places a team (only 3 of them) has managed to get top 6 and that includes 3 in the first week which were Watford, Bournemouth and Palace. Palace only lasted 1 game and Watford dropped out after 7 games and Bournemouth were in and out 11 times.
That makes me look at last season and given they all can't get the top 6 straight away, it was the 10th game by the big 6 were all in place at the top for the first time. Of the previous 9 games, 6 teams (total 17 times out of 54 places) managed to get a place into top 6 but mainly due to a good start which will happen most seasons. Burnley did get back into the top 6 in November but come the 19th game at Christmas that threat was gone and the big 6 had started to roost in the top 6 for the 2nd half of the season.
In fact looking at the previous season it's the same
By the 11th game the big 6 had roosted and they were 9 points clear come the New Year after 19 games!11v11 league table generator
So over last 3 seasons the top 6 places have not only been 8, 9 and then 11 points ahead come end of season but they've also dominated those positions throughout the season. Surely anyone who thinks it's the same as was years ago should start getting the picture now that it isn't?
I just thought of that question off the top of my head not thinking it would be like that and end up with a massive post!
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kildaremackem
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well every player we signed for about eight years in the prem came directly from ellis-who was richer than many other owners-so could buy us more expensive players-that not fair eihther is it?
chriswallace85
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Soz marra, I lost interest.That's probably why what your saying about it's always been the same is incorrect
I just thought of that question off the top of my head not thinking it would be like that and end up with a massive post!
The game evolves. Different things happen, different money comes in. Players change. Managers change. Stadiums changed. I'm not about to start worrying that a couple of trends over a three year period signal the doom of competition in domestic football.
Owt can happen. And in football, it quite often does - apart from the likes of a select few winning most of the trophies most of the time.
