Why don’t the 14 clubs in the top flight...
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cbwhu
Winger
would all the other European leagues do it?
otherwise you'd just be forcing all our top talent away, meaning all the overseas TV money that makes up most of the income would dry up
which is why it won't happen
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Deleted member 6694
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Why are people just focusing on the FA Cup?
They are 1 off games but what about the league situation I showed in an earlier post that means that most of the European money/global exposure is now going to 6 clubs?As I said elsewhere the gap between top 6 has progressively been getting bigger in the last few seasons. The 'top 6' have been in the top 6 for 3 seasons in a row now and the gap this season between 6th and 7th was 11 points (9 last season and 8 before). It was actually 17 points on the 15th April after most teams had played 33/34 games so the top 6 were getting a point more every 2 games than everyone else! Some of the reason why is explained in my post HERE
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The huge revenues are one big reason as this was last years. How can teams break into the big 6 now if they can't get anywhere near the places that give them the money to mount a serious challenge?
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The money the big 6 get outside of the Premier League prize money is still more than the rest get FFS! The rich will just get richer with the occasional blip now and that's the best the other fans can hope for, blips!
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chriswallace85
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Why are people just focusing on the FA Cup?
As I said elsewhere the gap between top 6 has progressively been getting bigger in the last few seasons. The 'top 6' have been in the top 6 for 3 seasons in a row now and the gap this season between 6th and 7th was 11 points (9 last season and 8 before). It was actually 17 points on the 15th April after most teams had played 33/34 games so the top 6 were getting a point more every 2 games than everyone else! Some of the reason why is explained in my post HERE
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I had this argument a month ago. The biggest clubs in this country have been the biggest and most successful clubs for at least the past 50 years. There's been a few ups and downs and flirtations by other clubs, but in the main not a great deal has changed.
This has also been the case on the continent in Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Holland and Germany. You could probably argue that the competition in this country has been more widely contested.
Football isn't broken, it's always been this way.
Hull_Mackem
Striker
Let them go, I think they use it as a threat but not sure they would do it. Simple rules - you cant come back and any players in the euro super league cant play atthe euro championships or world cup for the next 5 years after their last appearance in it.
Let's see how many top clubs and players want to be in it then. SO easy to put in place
RascaI
Midfield
75% of your annual income, which cannot include loans.
Well currently most clubs in the top flight operate well below that level anyway.
Premier League finances: the full club-by-club breakdown and verdict
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RascaI
Midfield
By the way I’m not talking premier league let them kill them selves. It’s the other three divisions.
Then your argument favours the elite clubs, and they'll continue to benefit.
spiritofcharlie
Winger
It wasn't mind. Check your club history.
The financial doping since the inception of the PL has killed the game.
kildaremackem
Striker
its not doping if they make the money legitimatelyso one reason other teams had more money than us in the PL is they charged proper ticket prices and safc didnt..
It doesn't seem like it's dead, more people than ever want to watch it, attendances higher than ever.
Penalizing teams for being successful.
What about poor clubs with bad youth set ups? Why should they be allowed to spoil young players
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Not to the scale they are now man due to the billions in the game which has inflated players prices and wages to an extreme. Other clubs simply can't compete unless someone invest a billion quid into them which they can't do now.
Did you read my post earlier about how many times in the last 10 years that teams outside the big 6 managed to get top 4 to get a shot at the Champion's League money? It is 1, Leicester when they won the league! You then have to go back to 2005 to find another team that finished in the top 4. That was Everton as Liverpool finished 3 points behind them but back then it was only the big 4 of Man Utd/Arsenal/Chelsea/Liverpool so not as many big clubs competing for the places. Going back to 1999-2000 then Leeds and the Mags managed it twice. So that's just 4 more teams that have managed top 4 in 20 seasons!
Look at how the money has gone up in the last decade and most of that money has gone to the big 6 due them dominating the top of league placings. I think the European money is going up again and also going to be performance based while domestic goes down which just means more money for top teams.
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Between 1970 and 1990 prior to Sky, how many teams made the top 4 and how many times did they do it? I bet it's a shit load more than just the teams above and don't forget and the points gap wasn't as great a split in the league. It's now 3 seasons in a row that no other club has been less than 8 points near the big 6! Yes it was widely contested in the past compared to other leagues but it's ending up with other European leagues where it's a closed shop at the top. The only difference being is due to the global appeal of the Premier League generating billions it has been able to finance 6 teams rather than 1, 2 or 3 teams like other leagues. This was predicted to happen and it's certainly happening as it feels like the big clubs of Europe gear up to a European League and fuck the domestic leagues off completely.
RascaI
Midfield
They’re not spoiling them as much as the bigger clubs, they nick all the young players get them on long contacts then loan them out to clubs with lesser youth set ups anyway
Bonzo
Winger
Would the players be that bothered about not playing in tournaments?
It's just more games for them to get injured or tired for the next season.
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As what happened to us with Sam Greenwood as we'll not even get a chance to develop young 'uns now as they'll be snapped up by bigger clubs offering them big money and far better prospects of success.
Greenwood on Instagram: “Today is the start of a new chapter in my life signing for this unbelievable club @arsenal and I can’t wait to get started, I’m looking…”
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chriswallace85
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Getting to the top 4 between 1970 and 1990 is irrelevant due to the format of European competition being completely different.
You could argue having six sides in competition for the league is far healthier than just five or six years ago when people where convinced the top 4 were out on their own.
Things change. Who would have dreamed ten years ago we'd be talking about Manchester United finishing 6th?
Fergie wasn't around forever. Pep won't be around forever. Sheik Mansour won't be around forever. Klopp, Pochettino, Daniel Levy, whoever else you want to think of won't be around forever.
It's not in the interests of the big clubs to abandon domestic competition - it means too much to them.
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Man Utd are still in the top 6 and generating nearly £600 million revenue. They can afford to bounce back as they can still sell their flops and recoup a lot of money.
You say the format of the European competion was different. Aye it was and the money was miniscule decades ago compared to what it is now. That is exactly why the top 6 won't change that much because the non Premier League money the clubs have got in recent years now give them the advantage before the ball is even kicked for the next season. Look at the money Liverpool and Spurs are getting as it's going to be over £90 million each regardless of who wins.
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This is more than most other clubs could dream of spending after you just take wages away from their revenue. I posted this image from the 2016-17 season revenues just to show what is left after wages and you can just see how much more spending power the clubs have on top of paying huge wages. Most of the teams wages are bigger than most other clubs total revenues! Leicester have £70 million more than usual given they earned that in the Champions League but they're the only team to do this in 14 seasons!
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Now do you realise that all this money from the last decade making the big 6 as financially strong as they are is now having an effect on the rest of Europe? 4 of them got to the 2 European Finals and Man City got to the Semi Finals of the Champions League and Man Utd got knocked out in the quarters when their form nose dived. The big 6 aren't just dominating the domestic leagues but possibly now going to dominate the European scene in the coming years.
Hull_Mackem
Striker
Dunno, I'd be happy to find out. I'd let them form their euro league if they want, under the stipulations I gave. In my opinion its all a bluff
