VARguments

[Steesafc]

I think its inevitably here to stay but I'm not a fan of it.

 

[scott934]

Well then you've defeated your own slippery-slope fallacy. It was a fantastic game, VAR or no VAR. The only difference being, with VAR, the right team went through. Nobody goes to watch VAR, VAR is just a tool intended to reduce incorrect decisions, and aid the officials. The 'winning' goal was offside, and because of VAR, Tottenham remain in the CL.

It might come down to what you prefer to see. I prefer not to see offside goals decide games incorrectly. What is it that you want?

Did the right team go through? Were there no other decisions in the game that went the wrong way?

 

[bernardbresslaw]

Don’t be daft. It was the football that did that, not VAR. I go to watch a game of football not a game of VAR, to watch someone f***ing off to the side of the pitch to watch a TV screen every 15 minutes.

If VAR didn’t exist it would still have been a cracking game and there’s absolutely no arguing that.

You said it, buddy. Sport.

Played by humans. Watched by humans.

Humans aren’t robots. Humans arent algorithms.

Why can’t you have wrong decisions? Let’s have all decisions in football made by technology, huh? Let’s get a computer to choose teams. Appoint the managers.

Why stop there. Let’s give players headpieces, so the coaches can talk to them in the game like NFL or cycling.

We’ve had wrong decisions and we’ve had bad decisions as long as sport exists. It’s sport.

We aren’t even going to have VAR in all the divisions when it comes in next season.

Where is it going to all end? With the emotions and the unpredictability and craziness of football completely written out of it, that’s what.

Fuck VAR.

It's well on the way to that. The top Playstation players can draw massive crowds - mind there's no VAR.

 

[Ilios]

Did the right team go through? Were there no other decisions in the game that went the wrong way?

There were no other factually incorrect decisions, which is why VAR doesn't in any way ruin the game - all those who want controversy and interpretation will still get it. But goal line decisions and offsides are factual decisions.

 

[bernardbresslaw]

Well then you've defeated your own slippery-slope fallacy. It was a fantastic game, VAR or no VAR. The only difference being, with VAR, the right team went through. Nobody goes to watch VAR, VAR is just a tool intended to reduce incorrect decisions, and aid the officials. The 'winning' goal was offside, and because of VAR, Tottenham remain in the CL.

It might come down to what you prefer to see. I prefer not to see offside goals decide games incorrectly. What is it that you want?

I want to go beserk when we score a crucial goal - no holding back. I don't care if the odd goal is incorrectly allowed or chalked off for offside.

There were no other factually incorrect decisions, which is why VAR doesn't in any way ruin the game - all those who want controversy and interpretation will still get it. But goal line decisions and offsides are factual decisions.

Do you go to games mate - honest question?

 

[Notorious N O B]

Well then you've defeated your own slippery-slope fallacy. It was a fantastic game, VAR or no VAR. The only difference being, with VAR, the right team went through. Nobody goes to watch VAR, VAR is just a tool intended to reduce incorrect decisions, and aid the officials. The 'winning' goal was offside, and because of VAR, Tottenham remain in the CL.

It might come down to what you prefer to see. I prefer not to see offside goals decide games incorrectly. What is it that you want?

Instant decisions

 

[scott934]

There were no other factually incorrect decisions, which is why VAR doesn't in any way ruin the game - all this who want controversy will still get it. But goal line decisions and offsides are factual decisions.

VAR in this instance only gave factually correct decisions. In other games it has given judgement calls, in the world cup it gave and overturned fouls.

If it was instant like goal line technology I'd be all for it, but look at the fuck on for Llorente's goal, for something which was clear after 1 replay.

 

[Ilios]

Instant decisions

You didn't have that before VAR.

VAR in this instance only gave factually correct decisions. In other games it has given judgement calls, in the world cup it gave and overturned fouls.

If it was instant like goal line technology I'd be all for it, but look at the fuck on for Llorente's goal, for something which was clear after 1 replay.

Those decisions are made by the referee, not VAR. VAR just flags it up. VAR didn't stand looking at the Llorente goal for 2 minutes, the referee did.

 

[rey mysterio]

I want to go beserk when we score a crucial goal - no holding back. I don't care if the odd goal is incorrectly allowed or chalked off for offside.



Do you go to games mate - honest question?

There’s nothing stopping you going beserk though. Plus there’s been moments I’ve left games feeling absolutely raging (Reading away 2007, Villa at home the same season) due to utterly shocking decisions. I’d rather not have to walk away from games raging and going on like a twat than for the risk of 1% of goals we score being overturned

 

[Tony Towers Fanclub]

Well then you've defeated your own slippery-slope fallacy. It was a fantastic game, VAR or no VAR. The only difference being, with VAR, the right team went through. Nobody goes to watch VAR, VAR is just a tool intended to reduce incorrect decisions, and aid the officials. The 'winning' goal was offside, and because of VAR, Tottenham remain in the CL.

It might come down to what you prefer to see. I prefer not to see offside goals decide games incorrectly. What is it that you want?

We will have to agree to differ then.

If the price of not having VAR is that there are decisions made by humans – who are, by our very nature fallible – then I’ll live with that. As we have down the past 140-odd years.

I don’t care about games being decided by incorrect decisions. Maybe I’m a purist, an idiot, a Luddite.

Incorrect decisions are made every minute of a game. The centre half who dives in for a tackle rather than stays on his feet. The left back who fails to show the attacker the inside rather than squeeze him tomthe byeline. The striker who hesitates when through on goal and allows an opposition player to cover back.

Human decisions. Human errors. I can live what that. As I said earlier, VAR can get f**ked.

 

[scott934]

You didn't have that before VAR.


Those decisions are made by the referee, not VAR. VAR just flags it up. VAR didn't stand looking at the Llorente goal for 2 minutes, the referee did.

Without VAR the referee can't stand there looking at it. VAR divides opinion massively, it's not just on the SMB, you never got that with goal line technology. It's because VAR comes at a cost to the game itself.

 

[Ilios]

Do you go to games mate - honest question?

I'm not sure what relevance that has, but I'll answer your distraction. I had a season ticket for 20 years, and have been to live football matches in a dozen countries. I do not currently attend many games, because I have work commitments and a young family. Now you can explain why that was relevant.

 

[bernardbresslaw]

There’s nothing stopping you going beserk though. Plus there’s been moments I’ve left games feeling absolutely raging (Reading away 2007, Villa at home the same season) due to utterly shocking decisions. I’d rather not have to walk away from games raging and going on like a twat than for the risk of 1% of goals we score being overturned

Do you go beserk now?

I'm not sure what relevance that has, but I'll answer your distraction. I had a season ticket for 20 years, and have been to live football matches in a dozen countries. I do not currently attend many games, because I have work commitments and a young family. Now you can explain why that was relevant.

Because if you watch games on the telly VAR is fuckin mint.

 

[Deleted member 6830]

Reet that's it, I'm finished with it.

Watched Spurs game, it was spot on.
Teams no longer win by default.
Rafa benefitted big time from lack of VAR. Its a big feckin yes from me.

 

[Ilios]

We will have to agree to differ then.

If the price of not having VAR is that there are decisions made by humans – who are, by our very nature fallible – then I’ll live with that. As we have down the past 140-odd years.

I don’t care about games being decided by incorrect decisions. Maybe I’m a purist, an idiot, a Luddite.

Incorrect decisions are made every minute of a game. The centre half who dives in for a tackle rather than stays on his feet. The left back who fails to show the attacker the inside rather than squeeze him tomthe byeline. The striker who hesitates when through on goal and allows an opposition player to cover back.

Human decisions. Human errors. I can live what that. As I said earlier, VAR can get f**ked.

Maybe we should advocate having referees who've never watched football before and don't understand the rules. Perhaps give them 6 gin and tonics before the game?

Without VAR the referee can't stand there looking at it.

No, and what happened pre-VAR, was that the referee would end up swarmed by opposition players shouting at him for 2 minutes instead.

 

[scott934]

Maybe we should advocate having referees who've never watched football before and don't understand the rules. Perhaps give them 6 gin and tonics before the game?


No, and what happened pre-VAR, was that the referee would end up swarmed by opposition players shouting at him for 2 minutes instead.

99.99999% of the time not having any affect (effect?) on the decision at all.

Maybe we should advocate having referees who've never watched football before and don't understand the rules. Perhaps give them 6 gin and tonics before the game?

It's called League One.

 

[Ilios]

It's called League One.

You're not wrong!

 

[Tony Towers Fanclub]

Maybe we should advocate having referees who've never watched football before and don't understand the rules. Perhaps give them 6 gin and tonics before the game?


No, and what happened pre-VAR, was that the referee would end up swarmed by opposition players shouting at him for 2 minutes instead.

Now you really are being daft.

Actually. I’m an idiot, you can just ask everyone who knows me to confirm that. But thinking about it, perhaps I’m not a Luddite or a purist but instead an old football romantic. Happy to be one. Not going to change.

I think VAR is helping squeeze the romance and unpredictability out of the game, especially at the top level. Shame. Because I agree, it’s here to stay.

 

[Ilios]

99.99999% of the time not having any affect (effect?) on the decision at all.

Yeah, so the exact same amount of time was wasted, and to no use.

 

[AC Mack]

You didn't have that before VAR.


Those decisions are made by the referee, not VAR. VAR just flags it up. VAR didn't stand looking at the Llorente goal for 2 minutes, the referee did.

But that has only come about because of VAR. So whilst VAR isn't giving the decision, its impact on the game is still huge.