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People were wrong about Short ...

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manamamackem said:
Exactly THIS, marra.


I'm not so sure about his confrontation with Keano were the start of the rot. I do believe that after signing the likes of Chimbonda, etc (who were the forerunners of todays players, attitude wise at least), things were already on a downward Curve and Keano days were numbered!
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Cheers, that's very kind.

The thread does seem to have struck a chord with quite a few people ...
.... if it wasn't posted by an OP the Mods dislike it'd probably be in Gold by now :lol:
 

He crippled us and left us in League One. My sympathy for him is limited. He paid off the debt because that was probably the only way to flog the club, such was the mess he left us in.

You make your bed, you lie in it. I struggle to have much sympathy or gratitude for him and won’t indulge now in some “wasn’t Short great” revisionism.

And this is not an anti OP post, Riv is a good lad and I see some merit in his OP. Ultimately though, I can’t really agree.
 
Wise Man Says said:
He crippled us and left us in League One. My sympathy for him is limited. He paid off the debt because that was probably the only way to flog the club, such was the mess he left us in.

You make your bed, you lie in it. I struggle to have much sympathy or gratitude for him and won’t indulge now in some “wasn’t Short great” revisionism.

And this is not an anti OP post, Riv is a good lad and I see some merit in his OP. Ultimately though, I can’t really agree.
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Shame, he wasn't a fan like us and spent millions just to keep us in the premier league and lost millions in the process. I feel much more bile towards the leeches at the club who spent his money unwisely whilst allegedly lining their own pockets.
 
jonny gently said:
Shame, he wasn't a fan like us and spent millions just to keep us in the premier league and lost millions in the process. I feel much more bile towards the leeches at the club who spent his money unwisely whilst allegedly lining their own pockets.
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Exactly - the 'bile' shown against Short was embarrassing considering what he was trying to achieve, the operative word being 'trying'. Who recommended Di Fanti, Bain etc to him we'll probably never know, but he was so badly advised.

He has shown honour and integrity by wiping the debt, and the new regime should be lauded for not taking on that debt which would have been to their advantage.
 
Reiver said:
.... and it's killing them.

There must have been dozens of posters who vehemently insisted Short had a plan to take the club into administration and 'thereby line his pockets' or whatever. Even logical replies by people who understand finance, such as @Grumpy Old Man, were dismissed out of hand by people who 'knew better'.

I suspect this is the reason for so many of these 'I bet there are hidden clauses from Short and we'll be paying him for years' threads.

I've seen people claiming all kinds of dirty tricks regarding the takeover that will come back to haunt us, they simply refuse to believe we're debt free.

FFS lads, just accept he's done the decent thing and has given us the chance to draw a line on the past. Going back over Short, Bain, Byrne, etc etc etc is destructive and part of the problem. It's often said, on here, that there's a self destructive attitude from people who just happy clap and accept shit ..... so why don't those people look on the bright side, for once, and accept this opportunity to rebuild the club in the right way, just a thought.
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Short never had a plan to take this club down and into administration. The fact is , he is a terrible business man despite being a Billionaire who had no acumen of those people he appointed to manage the football club when it came to appointing his management team. He had even less intelligence when it was plain for all to see that those he chose were completely out of their depth in running, organising and managing the Club but he continued to employ them, Bain being the final example.
 
molthemackem said:
Short never had a plan to take this club down and into administration. The fact is , he is a terrible business man despite being a Billionaire who had no acumen of those people he appointed to manage the football club when it came to appointing his management team. He had even less intelligence when it was plain for all to see that those he chose were completely out of their depth in running, organising and managing the Club but he continued to employ them, Bain being the final example.
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As we all know it's easier looking at a situation from the outside ....

.... otherwise all our lives would be perfect.

Mine isn't but if yours is then fair play to you.
 
He failed SAFC and himself badly. Getting into something he knew nothing about then surrounding himself with people who just took him and the club for a ride. Great ending from him though clearing all that debt.
 
Just wondering, now the dust has settled, how people feel about Short.

A fair few believed he was 'holding Donald to ransom' and that we'd be paying him for ever more.

Donald seems to be loving every minute and has convinced most people as far as I can see ....

.... anyone still suspicious?
 
Reiver said:
Just wondering, now the dust has settled, how people feel about Short.

A fair few believed he was 'holding Donald to ransom' and that we'd be paying him for ever more.

Donald seems to be loving every minute and has convinced most people as far as I can see ....

.... anyone still suspicious?
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Where you been ?
 
Reiver said:
Just wondering, now the dust has settled, how people feel about Short.

A fair few believed he was 'holding Donald to ransom' and that we'd be paying him for ever more.

Donald seems to be loving every minute and has convinced most people as far as I can see ....

.... anyone still suspicious?
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As Methven said in his last podcast the new owners had a lot of unexpected baggage. Cash flow was effectively frozen too as the season ticket money of those who paid upfront, and the first instalment of direct debits, has been used by the previous ownership. Not to mention the court cases.
 
Totally incompetent bloke who wasn’t as malicious as some people thought. The appointments he made buried us.

I’ve still no idea why he bought the club tbh. American bloke who had probably never heard of us and clearly had no idea what football is. He didn’t come across as someone who wanted a club to show off or line his own pockets. Just don’t get it.
 
My opinions haven't changed. He was grossly incompetent and presided over a total implosion of the club which landed us in the third tier. Maybe he didn't have bad intentions, but for sure he didn't know what he was doing. Now I know Charlie is a PR man, but the more I listen to him the more I realize how bad it actually was.

  • Money wasted in horrific ways on players that would leave for nothing
  • The stadium's condition allowed to deteriorate whilst people were being paid a fortune just to move plants and other pointless gimmicks
  • No strategy or vision whatsoever other than to patch a team together with loans and then hope to stay up
  • Responding to relegation with a £1.25 million budget and no budget whatsoever in january
  • Tearing the soul of the club by doing things such as cancelling concerts
  • Incredibly stupid and cutting decisions such as Bain deciding to give Celtic a massive allocation because he feared "the game would make a loss" and so on.
There were some good times, but he made errors which caused damage to this club and painful memories. His legacy is not a good one, even if there were some good memories here and there.
 
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Wise Man Says said:
He crippled us and left us in League One. My sympathy for him is limited. He paid off the debt because that was probably the only way to flog the club, such was the mess he left us in.

You make your bed, you lie in it. I struggle to have much sympathy or gratitude for him and won’t indulge now in some “wasn’t Short great” revisionism.

And this is not an anti OP post, Riv is a good lad and I see some merit in his OP. Ultimately though, I can’t really agree.
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Way I see it is that Short is an asset stripper, he is in the business of making money out of distressed companies....I feel very little sympathy for him that this time somebody in time will make money out of his distressed company, a company that was largely in that mess because the way he ran it was an absolute f***ing shambles.

For me, feeling sorry for short is a bit like feeling sorry for a bailiff when he gets into financial difficulty and the bailiffs come round and take his kids.
 
Reiver said:
Just wondering, now the dust has settled, how people feel about Short.

A fair few believed he was 'holding Donald to ransom' and that we'd be paying him for ever more.

Donald seems to be loving every minute and has convinced most people as far as I can see ....

.... anyone still suspicious?
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Yes I'm still suspicious . I think the mans a fraud .
 
Reiver said:
Just wondering, now the dust has settled, how people feel about Short.

A fair few believed he was 'holding Donald to ransom' and that we'd be paying him for ever more.

Donald seems to be loving every minute and has convinced most people as far as I can see ....

.... anyone still suspicious?
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I don't hold a grudge against Short. He fucked up and paid for it. I'm sure he was desperate to succeed but lost interest after it failed time and again.
 
molthemackem said:
Short never had a plan to take this club down and into administration. The fact is , he is a terrible business man despite being a Billionaire who had no acumen of those people he appointed to manage the football club when it came to appointing his management team. He had even less intelligence when it was plain for all to see that those he chose were completely out of their depth in running, organising and managing the Club but he continued to employ them, Bain being the final example.
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This. Plus he liked to blame everyone else and take no responsibility and hide. Not visiting a club you own for a whole season sounds like a bloke with no interest or no knackers or i suspect both. Glad to see Reiver out of his coma though.
 
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