RR: Bob Murray podcast

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Finally got round to listening to it. He chucks Reid under the bus despite him being the only reason the Murray legacy is what it is, flatly denies the Scholes link (rightly probably as it was nonsense) despite his chief executive being on television categorically saying we had attempted to sign him.

I don’t think he comes across well at all in it. Tin hat back on
 


Thurston said:
Because being the man at the top overseeing numerous promotions, the 105 point season, a couple of decent years in the Premier League where we weren’t a million miles off Europe and the building of the Stadium of Light were massive failures. For a start, and at a push, other than the League Cup final (we got to an FA Cup final under Murray’s tenure) and the derby wins for the feel good factor, literally nothing during the Ellis Short years comes anywhere near to any of that in terms of quantifiable success. In terms of quantifiable failure, the debt and relegations from Short’s tenure were also far more damaging than the relegations under Murray. That’s without comparing his record against any other chairman/owner since say 1960, where he’ll measure up extremely favourably.

So your comment is f***ing stupid. Absolutely f***ing stupid.
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In your opinion

MikeSAFC said:
How did you arrive at that figure?
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The price he bought it at and the price he sold it at
 
North Yorks Mackem said:
Just listened to the podcast. Fuck me he's full of himself a bit like. Basically can be summed up as I'm class, everyone else is shit, name a stand after me.

Grateful for the ground, academy, and the reidy days. But can't forget that for the majority of the time the football was terrible and the numerous relegations (Not forgetting a couple of record breaking relegations).
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Spot on that, only negative thing he had to say about himself was that he couldn’t spell very well. The blokes got one hell of a ego and enjoyed rewriting history for himself.
 
Boris Bear said:
Presided over more failures than any other chairman in our history, embarrassed us regularly in the media and still managed to turn a profit from his investment.

His history will no doubt be viewed through rose tinted specs
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He took over a car crash of a club and sold it in a reasonable state not fleecing it for every penny like Short.

He had some success on the pitch too, 7th finsishes and the of 1998, left a legacy that lives on today.

He did not win the premiership but who has at Sunderland since 1930 something.

A good bloke who cares about the region.
 
joemcdokes said:
Biggest mistake giving Peter Reid money to spend, decent manager on a budget, absolute shite with money.
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Peter Reid started to buy players who are not Peter Reid type personality. Why would Peter Reid do that?
He had completely lost the plot or there was something really underhand.
How the man it got it so right with the SKPs, SNQ, Rae, Boulds, Schwarz, Makin’s, etc etc could end up with those players at the latter end smacks of complaceny and reliance on someone else’s decision making.
 
Thomas Hearns said:
He took over a car crash of a club and sold it in a reasonable state not fleecing it for every penny like Short.

He had some success on the pitch too, 7th finsishes and the of 1998, left a legacy that lives on today.

He did not win the premiership but who has at Sunderland since 1930 something.

A good bloke who cares about the region.
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One man sold the club at a profit and one wiped £150 million off the debt.
 
Seems to polarise opinion as always. My 2 pennorth...he was a good custodian of the club. He is proud of his legacy and yes he does big himself up however I suspect a fair bit of that is to redress the balance of the flack he has had. At heart he comes across as a decent, humble bloke. He genuinely cared, wasn't an autocrat and had time for the important small details and the fans. Quite surprised how critical he was of Reid I have to say. Found it a really good listen
 
kingkeane said:
My feelings towards him haven’t changed. No trust in the bloke and he doesn’t come across well in that interview. He denies that we were in for Gazza, scholes, Andy cole, yet in premier passions John fickling points out at a supporters meeting that they made moves for all of those players. Clearly done to point blame away from them.
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Spot on. Murray and Fickling used to happily mislead supporters to try and appease them. With regularity.

The Robbie Keane thing is very fishy as well. It was announced semi-officially at the time that a fee had been agreed between us and Leeds

karlm14 said:
f***ing hell hes taking credit for Wembley now :lol::lol::lol::lol:

He put every brick in St. George’s Park as well by the sounds of it :lol::lol::lol::lol:
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He also said he’s not sure if Wembley would have happened without him. I think Murray’s ego is enormous. The podcast was very me, me, me.

I wish the interviewer had challenged him just on the Paul Scholes thing alone.

Chewit said:
Peter Reid started to buy players who are not Peter Reid type personality. Why would Peter Reid do that?
He had completely lost the plot or there was something really underhand.
How the man it got it so right with the SKPs, SNQ, Rae, Boulds, Schwarz, Makin’s, etc etc could end up with those players at the latter end smacks of complaceny and reliance on someone else’s decision making.
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Aye and that was evident to a lot of people who thought Reid had lost the plot. So why didn’t Murray take decisive action? Why had he let one man become so powerful at the club? He talks about Reid in that podcast as if he was watching Reid do all this without any ability to intervene. That is simply chucking Reid under the bus and absolving himself of any blame.
 
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Thomas Hearns said:
He took over a car crash of a club and sold it in a reasonable state not fleecing it for every penny like Short.

He had some success on the pitch too, 7th finsishes and the of 1998, left a legacy that lives on today.

He did not win the premiership but who has at Sunderland since 1930 something.

A good bloke who cares about the region.
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He didn’t sell it in a reasonable state. He sold it with debt that he couldn’t service.
 
Boris Bear said:
He didn’t sell it in a reasonable state. He sold it with debt that he couldn’t service.
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Our finances were chronic from August 02 until he sold up. There was absolutely no hope for us until Quinn bought the club.

Have people forgotten how it felt walking out the stadium having been twatted 4-1 at home to Newcastle with them singing ‘youre just the worst team in history’ for the second time in three or four years?

I absolutely acknowledge his work on infrastructure and now in the community but it seems that some of the horrendous lows have just been completely wiped from some memories, including Murray’s. I mean the audacity to get shirty about Short not asking him for advice on appointing Di Canio. He appointed Butcher, Crosby, Buxton and Wilkinson man. The one appointment he got right he spent the majority of the podcast talking about his limitations!
 
The Sheepfolds End said:
Our finances were chronic from August 02 until he sold up. There was absolutely no hope for us until Quinn bought the club.

Have people forgotten how it felt walking out the stadium having been twatted 4-1 at home to Newcastle with them singing ‘youre just the worst team in history’ for the second time in three or four years?

I absolutely acknowledge his work on infrastructure and now in the community but it seems that some of the horrendous lows have just been completely wiped from some memories, including Murray’s. I mean the audacity to get shirty about Short not asking him for advice on appointing Di Canio. He appointed Butcher, Crosby, Buxton and Wilkinson man. The one appointment he got right he spent the majority of the podcast talking about his limitations!
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I remember a wall of stewards around Bob at Roker Park, to stop him from getting his head punched in. I also remember the red card protest of 1995. I won’t forget some of his embarrassing comments about the city of Sunderland.

Jasper said:
More I’s in that interview than a peacock’s arse.
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:lol:
 
Good listen, fair play to Connor and RR on getting it done.

If I could offer some constructive criticism I think you could have delved deeper into his issues with Mags and Short like, I mean we can all make presumptions about what they were but I would have liked him to have addressed his 121 interactions especially leading to him being defacto banned from the ground apparently.

I thought he was hard on Reid, but you can argue fair, they were terrible signing at the end, and I didn’t know a Sunderland fan at the time who didn’t think it was time for Reid to go.

As a younger lad I protested outside Roker Park at him, nothing i particularly regret, at the time we were poor and there wasn’t much investment.

Overall though his legacy of the Reid years and the good times turned it round to at least a fair record overall from him on playing side, and the SOL,AOL,FOL are by far his and the greatest achievement in my lifetime by and owner/chairmen.
 
Boris Bear said:
I won’t forget some of his embarrassing comments about the city of Sunderland.
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What comments did he make like?

He comes across very me, me, me in that podcast.

Actually shocked about what he had to say about Reid and basically blaming him for why it all went wrong - why didn't BM he step in and take action at the end of 01/02 when it was clear Reid had taken us as far as he could? Why didn't he get someone else in to sort the so called dressing room issues out earlier or take action himself? Why did he basically sit back and do nothing while we financially perished?

People will forever talk about the shocking player contracts which were agreed under ES, there also some very stupid and unsustainable ones signed under BM's watch.

If I could be bothered I'd find the timestamp on the Premier Passions youtube video where Fickling says that advances were made for Scholes and Gazza in 96/97, so for BM to say over 20 years on that we did not tells me that board members of this club have not been 100% honest about what was going on - under his watch.


On the flip side, the SOL and AOL are excellent 100 year assets which I'm happy to thank him for (as well as BOL), but apart from that I'm struggling to find any notable footballing achievements he can take credit for. I feel that the crash and burn under short has masked what an utter farce the two relegations in the noughties were.

Also why did he almost seem offended about the fact that ES did not consult him over the appointment of Di Canio, why should he have?!

On the the whole, very mixed views of him from me (short still worse for me), but someone will probably disagree with me and that's fair enough.
 
Smiter said:
I thought he was hard on Reid, but you can argue fair, they were terrible signing at the end, and I didn’t know a Sunderland fan at the time who didn’t think it was time for Reid to go..
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Nah I didn't think it was. I still remember the disgraceful abuse he got at the end like- worst our fans have been.. the bad feeling in the ground was horrific.
 
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