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Benitez, Pulis, Ross

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Mrjardine said:
Well you do spend a large amount of time defending the bloke on here mind.
As I have always maintained he won’t do as well as Pardew did.
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He'll never have the standard of players that Pardew did.

I'll always maintain he'll never win the Champions League with his current squad. Easy this.
 
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Sima said:
You're being disingenuous if you're completely ignoring how the market has exploded in the last few years tbf.
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You’re probably right however given Rafa has spent pretty much double per window what Pardew did then I’d say that would just about cancel out that ‘explosion’
 
I’ve no doubt whatsoever that Newcastle would stay up if they sacked Benitez now. He’s just doing another Moyes.

What fairytale would they come out with if another manager came in and kept them up? Would probably be how Rafa did the groundwork (despite not winning in their first 10 games).
 
humbug said:
ross seems to be a hungry young manager with a desire for success. we could either be a stepping stone for something bigger for him or he'll stay here for a number of years and build something good (hopefully the latter)

the other two are just on that managerial merry go round.
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Jack Ross is also on the managerial merry go round. He used St Mirren as a stepping stone and he'll do the same to us if he's successful (which i fine by me).
 
Mrjardine said:
You’re probably right however given Rafa has spent pretty much double per window what Pardew did then I’d say that would just about cancel out that ‘explosion’
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Pardew also had the advantage of some of the lesser European nations being a relatively untapped resource and how we benefitted by buying decent players while still staying within our meagre budget.

But we'll go around in circles on this, never agreeing so there's little point going back and forward.
 
Sima said:
Pardew also had the advantage of some of the lesser European nations being a relatively untapped resource and how we benefitted by buying decent players while still staying within our meagre budget.

But we'll go around in circles on this, never agreeing so there's little point going back and forward.
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So Pardew managed to bring in decent players on a modest budget whilst Rafa hasn’t.
Fair enough.
 
L1lyBrown said:
Alphabetical order and division order, but our man is far and away the choice I would make to have as manager.
The other 2 seem lost in a time warp with not an attacking idea between them
I know it's early days but the other 2 appear to be yesterdays men.
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Pulis is doing an alright job. They were top at the start of yesterday ffs.
 
Sima said:
He'll never have the standard of players that Pardew did.

I'll always maintain he'll never win the Champions League with his current squad. Easy this.
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How much higher than fifth do you think Benitez would have got the pool of players Pardew had?
 
Ashley In!! said:
How much higher than fifth do you think Benitez would have got the pool of players Pardew had?
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Do Chelsea and Liverpool still have absolutely shite seasons in this scenario? Is this in the season 2011/12 or is it under the impression that the same players (at the same level) are in today's Premier League?

Mrjardine said:
So Pardew managed to bring in decent players on a modest budget whilst Rafa hasn’t.
Fair enough.
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:lol:

If that's how you want to interpret it after it's ran through your filter.
 
L1lyBrown said:
Alphabetical order and division order, but our man is far and away the choice I would make to have as manager.
The other 2 seem lost in a time warp with not an attacking idea between them
I know it's early days but the other 2 appear to be yesterdays men.
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We are in fuckin league one
 
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Sima said:
Do Chelsea and Liverpool still have absolutely shite seasons in this scenario? Is this in the season 2011/12 or is it under the impression that the same players (at the same level) are in today's Premier League?
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Back then, during that same season. The one you refuse to give him any credit for.
 
Ashley In!! said:
Back then, during that same season. The one you refuse to give him any credit for.
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We'd have won the league, marra.

I seem to recall the general consensus on here being it was majorly down to luck where we finished that season so if I don't give him any credit at all (you've just made that up) I'd be in good company on here.
 
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Strange thread but I would rather focus on the good job Ross is doing as it’s like trying to compare apples and pears. I have been impressed with him so far. He arrived in what was probably the most turbulent time in our history and was faced with a number of issues all at once. I think he has done a fine job in what essentially was a period of disaster recovery. Both him and the new regime have come a long way in a short time and they deserve credit for that.
 
Sima said:
Do Chelsea and Liverpool still have absolutely shite seasons in this scenario? Is this in the season 2011/12 or is it under the impression that the same players (at the same level) are in today's Premier League?



:lol:

If that's how you want to interpret it after it's ran through your filter.
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Which other way is there?

You first claimed the difference in spend was due to explosion in fees, that is countered by the almost double per window spend of Rafa.

You then change it to some of the European market being then untapped. Now weren’t most of your signings from France?

That untapped market that had brought over players like Pires, Drogba, Evra, Pettit, Wiltord, Anelka etc etc.

Jesus wept youd even had players like Ginola and Robert from there.

Also how many of those players that Pardew got to 5th have went on to better that finish in their careers?
 
We massively leveraged loop-holes in players contracts to get players from France to sign.

Not sure how citing Ginola and Robert who both at the time came for high money strengthens your argument? Or citing more elite players who went for big money elsewhere?

It almost looks like you've missed my point.
 
Sima said:
We'd have won the league, marra.

I seem to recall the general consensus on here being it was majorly down to luck where we finished that season so if I don't give him any credit at all (you've just made that up) I'd be in good company on here.
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So how much better would he have done?
 
I've already told you.

Whatever I say will be met with derision anyway so might as well go to the extreme tbf.
 
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