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Racist away fans (again)

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Mrjardine said:
I’m saying it doesn’t offend me.
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How it may not offend you mate, but you can surely agree that in this day and age, to have one of our own supporters, making comments like what was in the OP, about one of our own young players is surely wrong and the person need to be held to account for his actions, as do others who come out with that sort of language.
 
KittenMittens said:
Put simply, law did not immediately overcome racism. We didn't become a post-racial society at that point. I remember in the early 00's I worked in a shop in Sunderland where black applicants' cvs were thrown straight in the bin - filed under 'B', but in this case, the 'B' referred to black. When my mate (who happens to be black) came in to see me one day and just chat, I was called all kinds of shit, 'n*gger lover' etc. It was my first taste of racism being genuinely nasty and affecting people.
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Jesus f***ing christ! That's unreal in the 00's! What was the shop?
 
CissesUnderpants19 said:
How it may not offend you mate, but you can surely agree that in this day and age, to have one of our own supporters, making comments like what was in the OP, about one of our own young players is surely wrong and the person need to be held to account for his actions, as do others who come out with that sort of language.
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As I said earlier in thread mate any personal abuse shouldn’t happen really but I don’t get any more offended by this then any other kind of personal abuse really.
 
MJB said:
The difference is the centuries-long power relationship between white and black people. Whether it fits your narrative or not, most people would accept that white people, most often in the form of European colonialism, conquered, exploited and enslaved indigenous people in their own countries, predominantly, though not exclusively, Africa. We chained them in slave ships, stripped them of all humanity, abused them in ways we can't begin to imagine and traded them as if they were inanimate goods.

Of course, you can pick out examples of black people making racist comments. You can, no doubt, find women making sexist comments, too. They are unpleasant, stupid and open to criticism. But, it requires astonishing self-delusion to assume there is an equivalence between the experience of racism felt by black people in the UK with that felt by white people.

Thankfully, we are just starting to realise the appalling legacy of our dehumanising behaviour towards African people and others. It's heartening to see on this message board that the majority of people recognise the vileness in reviving the 'banana' slur, which implies a black person is an ape and, by so doing, dehumanises them once more. If you don't, that is, in my opinion, a sad reflection on you and your smallness of mind. More importantly, it acts as a reminder that we must not let our guard down and that we must remain vigilant, lest racist narratives take hold in unhappy, ignorant and impressionable minds.
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^^^
623 posts in, best by a country mile.
 
MJB said:
The difference is the centuries-long power relationship between white and black people. Whether it fits your narrative or not, most people would accept that white people, most often in the form of European colonialism, conquered, exploited and enslaved indigenous people in their own countries, predominantly, though not exclusively, Africa. We chained them in slave ships, stripped them of all humanity, abused them in ways we can't begin to imagine and traded them as if they were inanimate goods.

Of course, you can pick out examples of black people making racist comments. You can, no doubt, find women making sexist comments, too. They are unpleasant, stupid and open to criticism. But, it requires astonishing self-delusion to assume there is an equivalence between the experience of racism felt by black people in the UK with that felt by white people.

Thankfully, we are just starting to realise the appalling legacy of our dehumanising behaviour towards African people and others. It's heartening to see on this message board that the majority of people recognise the vileness in reviving the 'banana' slur, which implies a black person is an ape and, by so doing, dehumanises them once more. If you don't, that is, in my opinion, a sad reflection on you and your smallness of mind. More importantly, it acts as a reminder that we must not let our guard down and that we must remain vigilant, lest racist narratives take hold in unhappy, ignorant and impressionable minds.
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Awesome post.
 
Mrjardine said:
As I said earlier in thread mate any personal abuse shouldn’t happen really but I don’t get any more offended by this then any other kind of personal abuse really.
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it shouldn't happen at all in this day and age, look i have heard it myself, and i can tell everyone here, that their is a zero tolerance policy at the stadium of light, and if supporters feel the need to tell the stewards and police you are able to, and that person will be sorted and removed, personally for me racist abuse is a step to far, and given the amount of players of black and Asian decent we have had down the years, i would of thought in this day and age we can all agree it needs stamping out.
 
CissesUnderpants19 said:
it shouldn't happen at all in this day and age, look i have heard it myself, and i can tell everyone here, that their is a zero tolerance policy at the stadium of light, and if supporters feel the need to tell the stewards and police you are able to, and that person will be sorted and removed, personally for me racist abuse is a step to far, and given the amount of players of black and Asian decent we have had down the years, i would of thought in this day and age we can all agree it needs stamping out.
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You could argue all personal abuse should be stamped out really.
As I said it’s not something I’d do or say but I can’t pretend to be offended by something that I wouldn’t bat an eyelid at.
 
Mrjardine said:
You could argue all personal abuse should be stamped out really.
As I said it’s not something I’d do or say but I can’t pretend to be offended by something that I wouldn’t bat an eyelid at.
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Yes you could argue that, but the whole point i am making is, the example it sets for the younger people hearing that, its not the 7os now its 2018 as we all know and offended or not we should all be looking to have that sort of abuse stamped out, Sunderland AFC should not get a tag line of, Don't sign for them they are racist up their more than we already have, if you listen to what Darren Bent said happened to his mother at home game.
 
i am will said:
In the late 70s and early 80s I thought it was ok to abuse a black player...up until the time I started to understand it wasn't ok...maybe whoever said it just hasn't been educated yet...how old was he ?
I'm more concerned by the fact that had it been a banana he wouldn't have controlled that either !
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Early 50s
 
peachbum said:
Since when?
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I think he's meaning the difference between saying "the blacks" (an exclusionary term) and "black people" (an inclusionary term).

It's not the word "black" that's the problem. Using the term "black people" indicates a mentality of "we're all people, and some of us are black". Talking about "the blacks" makes it sound like you have the mentality of "we are the whites, they are the blacks" as if we're on different sides of something, like in a board game or something.

That's my take on it, anyway.
 
fyl2u said:
I think he's meaning the difference between saying "the blacks" (an exclusionary term) and "black people" (an inclusionary term).

It's not the word "black" that's the problem. Using the term "black people" indicates a mentality of "we're all people, and some of us are black". Talking about "the blacks" makes it sound like you have the mentality of "we are the whites, they are the blacks" as if we're on different sides of something, like in a board game or something.

That's my take on it, anyway.
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Aye, it came to me after I'd posted.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
He's saying that Nige is a more common contraction of Nigel than Nig.
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I know what he's saying, pity he couldn't answer himself since he has been so vocal in deciding i am a racist ;)

In answer to him. Nige would be as you quite rightly state a common abbreviation of nigel.

But as i stated my father called me Nidge, nige would not be a common spelling for nidge.

@Nidge

Since the name doesn't seem to be taken maybe a mod could oblige and change it for the sake of any confusion and @lurker wetting his pants ;)
 
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