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England v India 5th Test

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Mrjardine said:
Don’t get giving gloves back to Bairstow.
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Bairstow should 100% be the keeper, he is a better wicket keeper than Buttler, plays his best cricket, its in the best interests of the team for him to keep wicket

Just like its best for Root to bat at 4 because he scores more runs, better for the team

But bairstow should bat at 7 (where he has scored 5 test 100s) and Buttler should bat 5

Its simple as fuck and I don't get why they are complicating it by putting Bairstow up to 5, he is a world class wicket keeper batsman, as Bumble says, leave him be

Only in england would we fuck around some of our best players from their best positions

No idea why he was suddenly promoted above Stokes too!

Buttler has been our best batsman this summer, faced the most balls, played like a test player, why can't he bat 5? I don't get it
 
The Rat said:
Bairstow should 100% be the keeper, he is a better wicket keeper than Buttler, plays his best cricket, its in the best interests of the team for him to keep wicket

Just like its best for Root to bat at 4 because he scores more runs, better for the team

But bairstow should bat at 7 (where he has scored 5 test 100s) and Buttler should bat 5

Its simple as fuck and I don't get why they are complicating it by putting Bairstow up to 5, he is a world class wicket keeper batsman, as Bumble says, leave him be

Only in england would we fuck around some of our best players from their best positions

No idea why he was suddenly promoted above Stokes too!

Buttler has been our best batsman this summer, faced the most balls, played like a test player, why can't he bat 5? I don't get it
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I was all for Root batting 3 but it hasn’t worked out.

It is simple as fuck Bairstow bats 5 and gets told to score some runs as we are in desperate need of them at top of order, forget the gloves. How many times was Bairstow left with the rats and mice at end of innings, he’s way too good a player for that.

In a side with

Strauss
Cool
Trott
KP
Bell
Colly

Then yes he’d be an amazing 7 but we aren’t in that position.

Butler isn’t a test 5 as long as I’ve got a hole in my arse. He’s a good 7 wicketkeeper bat.

Mainze said:
Clearly he’s sulked about it. I prefer Buttler behind the stumps.
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It’s a no brainer really.

I don’t think too much between them when it comes to gloves but Bairstow is a far more solid bat and needs to be top 5, can’t do that and keep wicket.

If he’s sulked they should tell him to go back to Yorkshire. He’d soon come scurrying back.
 
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Do it scientifically, see who scored the most runs in a particular position and put them there, telling them why.
 
Is anyone going to the Oval? I've got tickets for Saturday and Sunday. Weather forecast isn't very good though.
 
Mrjardine said:
I was all for Root batting 3 but it hasn’t worked out.

It is simple as fuck Bairstow bats 5 and gets told to score some runs as we are in desperate need of them at top of order, forget the gloves. How many times was Bairstow left with the rats and mice at end of innings, he’s way too good a player for that.

In a side with

Strauss
Cool
Trott
KP
Bell
Colly

Then yes he’d be an amazing 7 but we aren’t in that position.

Butler isn’t a test 5 as long as I’ve got a hole in my arse. He’s a good 7 wicketkeeper bat.


It’s a no brainer really.

I don’t think too much between them when it comes to gloves but Bairstow is a far more solid bat and needs to be top 5, can’t do that and keep wicket.

If he’s sulked they should tell him to go back to Yorkshire. He’d soon come scurrying back.
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Don't think he is as good as you think, and I am a big Bairstow fan

He doesn't have a good enough defensive technique to bat in the top 5, as Boycott (his mate) said this week.
Buttler has a far better defensive technique, and has the lowest dismisalls in the team when playing a defensive shot

Its just peopke's pre-conceived ideas of how Buttler supposedly plays, he doesn't

Its an absolute no brainer for me, Buttler at 5, Bairstow at 7 where he plays his best cricket

If uyou think Buttler can't bat in the top 5 then you havent been watching much cricket this summer, didn't get his test 100 from 5 or 6?

You ignoring all the evidence and stats this summer, I don't get it.

I bet you said it was as simple as fuck for Root to bat 3 too?

You wrong then as well, Root is never a test number 3 and his averaged dropped 12, just like Bairstow's average dropped

Why the fuck did we mess with them? We have become a much worse team since they moved up the order, that is a fact not an opinion
 
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Darlo1973 said:
Is anyone going to the Oval? I've got tickets for Saturday and Sunday. Weather forecast isn't very good though.
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Going tomorrow and Saturday. Looking forward to tomorrow, might be a bit of waiting around on Saturday. Anyone recommend any good pubs nearby to pass the time?
 
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The Rat said:
Don't think he is as good as you think, and I am a big Bairstow fan

He doesn't have a good enough defensive technique to bat in the top 5, as Boycott (his mate) said this week.
Buttler has a far better defensive technique, and has the lowest dismisalls in the team when playing a defensive shot

Its just peopke's pre-conceived ideas of how Buttler supposedly plays, he doesn't

Its an absolute no brainer for me, Buttler at 5, Bairstow at 7 where he plays his best cricket

If uyou think Buttler can't bat in the top 5 then you havent been watching much cricket this summer, didn't get his test 100 from 5 or 6?

You ignoring all the evidence and stats this summer, I don't get it.

I bet you said it was as simple as fuck for Root to bat 3 too?

You wrong then as well, Root is never a test number 3 and his averaged dropped 12, just like Bairstow's average dropped

Why the fuck did we mess with them? We have become a much worse team since they moved up the order, that is a fact not an opinion
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Well he’s had a good enough defensive technique to bat top order his whole career.

He’s a better player than Butler, it’s pretty simple as far as I’m concerned.

Nothing pre conceived about Buttler at all he’s a very aggressive player and he pushes at the ball too much to be a consistent top 5 test batsman. Can’t just base stats on a handful of tests.

Stats don’t always tell the whole story. You say we’ve become much worse team since we tinkered yet have just beaten India in a test series. That is a fact not an opinion.
 
Mrjardine said:
Well he’s had a good enough defensive technique to bat top order his whole career.

He’s a better player than Butler, it’s pretty simple as far as I’m concerned.

Nothing pre conceived about Buttler at all he’s a very aggressive player and he pushes at the ball too much to be a consistent top 5 test batsman. Can’t just base stats on a handful of tests.

Stats don’t always tell the whole story. You say we’ve become much worse team since we tinkered yet have just beaten India in a test series. That is a fact not an opinion.
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Not for England he hasn't, he has never been a success in the top 5, only made runs at 7, look at his contrasting averages.

The thing you said about Buttler is literally what Bairstow does

Buttler hasn't done it since he came back in the side, he looks to have one of our best defensive techniques

Its not a handful of tests its a whole international summer.

No the averages and total runs we have scorved have gone down, its literally a fact

As I say your opinion is pre conceived as Buttler has done the opposite to what you have said, its Bairstow who plays a shot a ball, goes at the ball with hard hands.

He is a number 7 and not a top 5 international batsman on a consistent level, he has played a lot of tests and his record reflects that.
 
The Rat said:
Bairstow should 100% be the keeper, he is a better wicket keeper than Buttler, plays his best cricket, its in the best interests of the team for him to keep wicket

Just like its best for Root to bat at 4 because he scores more runs, better for the team

But bairstow should bat at 7 (where he has scored 5 test 100s) and Buttler should bat 5

Its simple as fuck and I don't get why they are complicating it by putting Bairstow up to 5, he is a world class wicket keeper batsman, as Bumble says, leave him be

Only in england would we fuck around some of our best players from their best positions

No idea why he was suddenly promoted above Stokes too!

Buttler has been our best batsman this summer, faced the most balls, played like a test player, why can't he bat 5? I don't get it
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Was it not you recently suggesting he opened the batting to do something different?
 
rentaghost said:
Was it not you recently suggesting he opened the batting to do something different?
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Was when Cook was still here, as just needed something completely different to mix it up (half said in jest)

Now Cook has gone, think that is all the refreshing we need

Bairstow is my favourite England player, I don't believe he is a top 5 player, been pretty consistent on that over the last few years


Root and Bairstow were one of the few bits of the team scoring consistently in their positions, we moved them, and they stopped scoring. Not sure why people can't see this.

Mainze said:
I would have been inclined to leave out Rashid and bring in whoever they have in mind to open the batting in the winter and maybe play them at 3.
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absolutely this. Burns should have played

Rashid is contributing nothing.
 
I’d have had Bairstow at 7 with the gloves as well and Buttler at 5 if he’s in as a specialist batsman. Buttler is definitely good enough to bat 5 in my view.

Not sure what I make of Bairstow getting them straight back to be honest. Buttler did nothing wrong and is equally as good a keeper, but Bairstow’s form over the last couple of years means he’s the man in possession I suppose.

Injury wise if he’s completely over the broken finger then fine, but if he’s any less than 100% fit I’ll be pissed off with him getting them back.

Glad they are sticking with Rashid if that’s the team and don’t mind seeing how Ali gets on at 3, both with a view to the winter.
 
The Rat said:
Was when Cook was still here, as just needed something completely different to mix it up (half said in jest)

Now Cook has gone, think that is all the refreshing we need

Bairstow is my favourite England player, I don't believe he is a top 5 player, been pretty consistent on that over the last few years


Root and Bairstow were one of the few bits of the team scoring consistently in their positions, we moved them, and they stopped scoring. Not sure why people can't see this.



absolutely this. Burns should have played

Rashid is contributing nothing.
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The constant failure of England's top order makes selection difficult and imperfect choices at times have had to be made. Take yourself for example very recently you have said Bairstow should open and you were dead against Burns being picked. Now you are saying Bairstow should always be at 7 and Burns should have played (which I agree he should have)
That's not having a pop at you, the only reason you have suggested these is because of the top order failings and that is why other peoples choices would be moving Root and Bairstow to 3 and 5 to plug the gaps and have what they see as our best batsmen in the top 5.
 
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