pavarotti1980
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There are simply no openers good enough to take their place
England squad suprises
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rentaghost
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I'm inclined to agree. Burns is a regular 1000 runs a season man. He hasn't quite had the weight of runs Rocky has in county cricket but that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't adapt to test cricket better. If Stoneman doesnt make a big score in the first test (and he isnt in form) I think Burns will get the call. In Jennings case I think its too early after getting dropped to return - he needs to do more for a longer period.
Abu Dhabi Red and White
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Shit I thought this was a sporting thread like footy.
I don't see how Stoneman is, he did well New Zealand.
Don't agree
This is the problem with selection, everyone has a different opinion, there is no right answer its all subjective
But people usually say "typical ECB" "Typical England" etc
In reality, there is no agenda, just people selecting a team they think can win
I personally think Buttler is a dreadful decision
It’s like picking someone who only plays 5 a side for an 11 a side game
He’s a talent aye. He has getting hit ability. But his FC record is average. And he isn’t even playing the game
Foakes should be in
It’s like picking someone who only plays 5 a side for an 11 a side game
He’s a talent aye. He has getting hit ability. But his FC record is average. And he isn’t even playing the game
Foakes should be in
brandon
Striker
When did he last play a red ball game??
He treats the County Championship with utter contempt because all he's bothered about is making money playing T20 (which I don't blame him for by the way).
What message does it send out to the likes of Foakes and Clarke though? What do them lads have to do to get a game?
Absolutely this
If he had a brilliant FC record I could get it. But he doesn’t. He has technical flaws all over the shop so he plays a game where they are less noticeable.
It’s a dreadful decision
I’m happy enough with Bess. At least they haven’t reverted to Modern or Dawson
Bri
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He actually said he doesn't understand red ball cricket, whereas in white ball cricket he knows exactly what he needs to do as he's walking to the wicket. No I don't agree with it … I'd rather Burns at 3 or something.
You think he is only there for the money? What a stupid thing to say
Most cricketers would play for little over there, full houses, crazy crowds, biggest tournament in the world
Its a fantastic experience for him and is improving him as a cricketer.
You'd rather have Foakes in? That is your call, I think Buttler is a lot more talented and has a lot more potential
We pick all our players on county form, why can't we have a slight wild card, especially when he is that talented?
I like how he keeps the gloves though
can't underestimate how hard he has worked to be a world class gloveman, and he really is now, to take it off him would be cruel and detrimental to him at the minute
Comeback_Kenwyne
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Agree. Is a message to the likes of Clarke, Gubbins, Jennings, Curran, Vince, Pope etc. - don't worry about the country game, we don't value it.
Curran is unlucky too - may have escaped people's notice but he just took a ten wickets against a decent Yorkshire batting side and forced a result. I haven't been convinced by him at all, but he's done a damn sight more than Woakes to get in the squad in that number eight, fourth seamer role. Maybe we will back Wood and go for all-out pace, that's a debate - but the decision should be based on pitch and be Wood versus Curran, not Woakes. He's done nothing.
They've said Root to three, which I have reservations about. Bairstow will be pissed off too - wanted to keep the gloves. Butller, it's a punt. Bess has been bowling dross - they should have gone with Virdi - what's to lose?
Stoneman is a very lucky boy. I think he should have been axed and someone like Gubbins brought in, if only to encourage country batsman. Well, also because he's a better bet - Stoneman has made little impression on some belting Oval pitches. Ok, you want Division One runs - well go with Jennings then.
I think Joe Clarke is very unlucky, but I guess he's next cab of the rank in the middle order. Buttler should be made aware that there are some very good young keeper batsman - Foakes, Pope, too.
Tidied there for you.
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Jos Buttler in first class cricket
18 tests average 31. No hundreds
81 first class games average 32. 4 hundreds
4 first class games last year. Average 17
0 first glass games this year.
Age - almost 28
Ben Foakes
82 first glass games (almost the same!) average 42. 8 hundreds
Age - 25 (just)
Buttler is a fabulous hitter. But:
1) his first class average is wel....average
2) he just isn’t playing that game
I’ve no issue with Bairstow moving up, but it shouldn’t be Buttler
18 tests average 31. No hundreds
81 first class games average 32. 4 hundreds
4 first class games last year. Average 17
0 first glass games this year.
Age - almost 28
Ben Foakes
82 first glass games (almost the same!) average 42. 8 hundreds
Age - 25 (just)
Buttler is a fabulous hitter. But:
1) his first class average is wel....average
2) he just isn’t playing that game
I’ve no issue with Bairstow moving up, but it shouldn’t be Buttler
Comeback_Kenwyne
Winger
Stoneman is because he hasn't made a single century yet and for an opener that's not acceptable. He's also been served up some belters at the Oval and watched the likes of Clarke and Pope make hay with them, whilst he has done nothing of note.
For an opener? Its prbably the hardest position to score a 100 from
He played well in NZ and deserved to keep his place.
The obsession over 100s is ridiculous now, was never like this when growing up, obiously over his England career he needed one, but just on his last series he got 50s and saw off the new ball, batted time, that is what the opener is there for.
Its like when Vince got 87 or someit, its like "oh but he didn't get the 100 he really needed" like 13 runs would have made any difference to the context of a match
There is a balance, and I feel its gone too far
Jack Torrance
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So they pick Vince while he's doing shite but drop him after a double century?
Tbf to Buttler he is a big talent and I thought he did alright in India
Tbf to Buttler he is a big talent and I thought he did alright in India
Well it’s about game changing scores really, 100 is an arbitrary number I agree. Vince made 80 odd in Brisbane. Had that’s been 150 then that changes the game.
brandon
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A stupid thing to say? Really? So you think Jos Buttler would play in the IPL for his air fare alone if they asked him to? Now that is stupid.
Fantastic experience, improving him as a Cricketer - definitely, I agree, but only as a WHITE ball Cricketer.
As Bri and Chunky pointed out, he's absolutely mediocre against a red ball and clearly his previous record tells you that he's got no time for it and very little interest in it at all.
We can have a wild card, Bess is that wild card in this squad - young lad, given a go. Buttler is talented, but is he talented against the red ball? No.
I think it was Chunky that said it's like picking someone for an 11 a side football game because they're good at 5 a side - T20 and Test Match Cricket are absolutely poles apart, both are completely different games.
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