100 ball cricket!!!!

[stephen cartwright]

Yeah agree the better quality of players the more people will want to watch.

Imo the big bash has most of the domestic T20 players from England in it.

No England players being allowed to play, is the simple, straightforward reason why crowds are not what they could be.

Look at the example of Durham in the t20 final and stokes was not allowed to bowl, as England were off to India, six weeks later.

It's a joke and for me, abundantly clear that the FTECB, want to have eight club's only in this country and lo and behold, it's the owners/chairman of those eight, who are all for this competition

 

[Bri]

Tanton and Essex hold about 7k each mate although they're great venues for the format I agree.

We get 2-2.5k unless it's Yorkshire I think.

You're right. I don't know what I was thinking with 20k. Middlesex and Surrey and maybe Warks do get that and a bit more. Somerset and Essex do well though with capacity crowds.

 

[Steak Pie]

We started T20 yet have been overtaken big style by the IPL and the Big Bash, cricket needs to do something to get fans into the game.

Maybe the current T20 competition could be revamped, and can certainly see some people's point of view about the franchise idea and have already said it's not the best.

What is clear is some cricket fans need to get their head out of their arses and realise cricket in this country needs promoting big style and fans want to watch short format on a sunny summer night.

Some people nearly have a heart attack because cricketers wear coloured clothing that's how far they behind the times!

At least the ECB are trying to do something about it!!

The ECB aren't proposing to do anything that couldn't be done within the existing framework. Nothing. Not one single thing. They are holding the game to ransom, as they won't do anything to promote the game unless they are handed they keys. So when you say that they are trying to do something about it you are wrong, they are refusing to do anything about it until they get to keep all the money.

That's not the action of a governing body, that's the action of a group of businessmen looking to line their own pockets.

 

[The Rat]

The ECB aren't proposing to do anything that couldn't be done within the existing framework. Nothing. Not one single thing. They are holding the game to ransom, as they won't do anything to promote the game unless they are handed they keys. So when you say that they are trying to do something about it you are wrong, they are refusing to do anything about it until they get to keep all the money.

That's not the action of a governing body, that's the action of a group of businessmen looking to line their own pockets.

The teams are already there, all they had to do was have a premier league that got all the sky money and television games, much like the premier league in football

The FA didn't create whole new clubs for the launch of the premier league did they

 

[stephen cartwright]

The ECB aren't proposing to do anything that couldn't be done within the existing framework. Nothing. Not one single thing. They are holding the game to ransom, as they won't do anything to promote the game unless they are handed they keys. So when you say that they are trying to do something about it you are wrong, they are refusing to do anything about it until they get to keep all the money.

That's not the action of a governing body, that's the action of a group of businessmen looking to line their own pockets.

Exactly. How can it be a fair vote when all those at the eight franchise grounds, carry more weight?

It's supposedly done to attract a new audience, when it's going to played at grounds which already have the largest audiences in attendance and I can't see mothers and kids going to a York's v lancs match, with all the bollocks that brings to a game

If they wanted to create a new audience, why not play this competition in the ten areas, not deemed worthy of a franchise, with the express reason to build up their audiences?

That's really spreading the game to all areas, not giving it to areas which have a large fanbase already?

 

[The Rat]

Exactly. How can it be a fair vote when all those at the eight franchise grounds, carry more weight?

It's supposedly done to attract a new audience, when it's going to played at grounds which already have the largest audiences in attendance and I can't see mothers and kids going to a York's v lancs match, with all the bollocks that brings to a game

If they wanted to create a new audience, why not play this competition in the ten areas, not deemed worthy of a franchise, with the express reason to build up their audiences?

That's really spreading the game to all areas, not giving it to areas which have a large fanbase already?

Cricket is a strange sport, they seem to want to lower the people who play it, internationally anyway

One think you have to give Blatter and Fifa credit for is expanding the sport all over the world

 

[Ageing trundler]

The thing with the Big Bash is that 95% of the population live within a few miles of the grounds. That's why it gets big crowds. Dumbing it down to 8 venues in England doesn't have the same effect. I won't travel 100 miles to watch a game at Leeds, even if Stokes, Wood and Rushworth are playing for that team. A 18 team competition gets, say, 200,000 watching 1 home game per team. Even if the 8 grounds are full, that will be less.

 

[The Rat]

The thing with the Big Bash is that 95% of the population live within a few miles of the grounds. That's why it gets big crowds. Dumbing it down to 8 venues in England doesn't have the same effect. I won't travel 100 miles to watch a game at Leeds, even if Stokes, Wood and Rushworth are playing for that team. A 18 team competition gets, say, 200,000 watching 1 home game per team. Even if the 8 grounds are full, that will be less.

Exactly, you have to adapt your competition the varieties of a nation. There aren't many more tribal places in the UK, you can travel a few miles and find fans who support a different football team and have a different accent, its like no other place.

 

[stephen cartwright]

The thing with the Big Bash is that 95% of the population live within a few miles of the grounds. That's why it gets big crowds. Dumbing it down to 8 venues in England doesn't have the same effect. I won't travel 100 miles to watch a game at Leeds, even if Stokes, Wood and Rushworth are playing for that team. A 18 team competition gets, say, 200,000 watching 1 home game per team. Even if the 8 grounds are full, that will be less.

I can't see where the mythical new fans will get in at the eight franchise grounds, which sell out mostly already.

Surely if it's new punters they want young and old, then it should be played at the ten grounds where the franchise T20 is not played, and is therefore liable for expansion?

 

[Twisted]

The new fans will be real though.

There's a group of people on here that think that cos T20 crowds have recently increased from two men and a dog to three men and a dog it's a booming tournament, when it isn't.

I think this is a horrible bastardisation of cricket but equally I think that the 'FTECB' will market it well and generate a lot of interest in the game.

I don't doubt that, it's just whether there will be more of them than the combination of people who are alienated from it and/or duff off the county t20 competition in favour of this. there is only so much saturation a market can take when there is no loyalty involved. we aren't a franchise nation, our sporting affiliations are bred into us.

I don't doubt this will be a marginal success, although probably still not a financial one - most t20 leagues round the world make losses with the obvious exception of the ipl and iirc the big bash does - especially when taken in conjuction with the t20 blast which will probably end up in financial ruin and get packed in a few years down the road if it is.

I deliberately said new ECB though.

The Giles Clarke one shrank the game as the short term pursuit of money was all it cared about. This one is more interested in the grass roots and getting it on TV screens, they're just going about it in a dodgy way imo.

Or the 20k that goes to Taunton? Or Essex? Or Kent? They get big crowds. I think Durham get around 5k or so.

taunton [albeit not the biggest place] and the st Lawrence are a short wander from the town. cls [god bless it] is a chew on to get to from a variety of places, more so getting back from late at night. our crowds would be much bigger IMO if it was wandering distance from durham city centre.

The ECB aren't proposing to do anything that couldn't be done within the existing framework. Nothing. Not one single thing. They are holding the game to ransom, as they won't do anything to promote the game unless they are handed they keys. So when you say that they are trying to do something about it you are wrong, they are refusing to do anything about it until they get to keep all the money.

That's not the action of a governing body, that's the action of a group of businessmen looking to line their own pockets.

the whole IPL crack that has recently come out is just the cherry on top. they get to keep a sizable cut of any English player going to play in the ipl. why? why not the county that developed them? why not the player? I can't even see how that is legal tbh, unless it only involves centrally contracted players and it is in the small print. pound of flesh type stuff tbf

 

[mackembhoy]

I don't doubt that, it's just whether there will be more of them than the combination of people who are alienated from it and/or duff off the county t20 competition in favour of this. there is only so much saturation a market can take when there is no loyalty involved. we aren't a franchise nation, our sporting affiliations are bred into us.

I don't doubt this will be a marginal success, although probably still not a financial one - most t20 leagues round the world make losses with the obvious exception of the ipl and iirc the big bash does - especially when taken in conjuction with the t20 blast which will probably end up in financial ruin and get packed in a few years down the road if it is.







taunton [albeit not the biggest place] and the st Lawrence are a short wander from the town. cls [god bless it] is a chew on to get to from a variety of places, more so getting back from late at night. our crowds would be much bigger IMO if it was wandering distance from durham city centre.



the whole IPL crack that has recently come out is just the cherry on top. they get to keep a sizable cut of any English player going to play in the ipl. why? why not the county that developed them? why not the player? I can't even see how that is legal tbh, unless it only involves centrally contracted players and it is in the small print. pound of flesh type stuff tbf

I’m pretty sure it’s just centrally contracted players. Seeing as they are gonna miss the Ireland games

 

[Twisted]

I’m pretty sure it’s just centrally contracted players. Seeing as they are gonna miss the Ireland games

iirc it's 20% of the fee they receive I remember reading. for a player like stokes wouldn't that equate to more than ftecb pay him annually?

 

[mackembhoy]

iirc it's 20% of the fee they receive I remember reading. for a player like stokes wouldn't that equate to more than ftecb pay him annually?

Stokes is on 750k and root is on a million from the ECB iirc.

 

[Twisted]

Stokes is on 750k and root is on a million from the ECB iirc.

oh I didn't think it was nearly that much like. although the pay did go up a lot recently didn't it?

though it was more like 300k and with stokes on about 1.6m fron the ipl.. ah well, remembering numbers is not a strong point for us

tbf it is still a huge chunk of money that ftecb are pilfering imo and if you think how incomparable it is to the compensation counties get when ftecb take their players away, incementaby etc it is beyond laughable

 

[mackembhoy]

oh I didn't think it was nearly that much like. although the pay did go up a lot recently didn't it?

though it was more like 300k and with stokes on about 1.6m fron the ipl.. ah well, remembering numbers is not a strong point for us

tbf it is still a huge chunk of money that ftecb are pilfering imo and if you think how incomparable it is to the compensation counties get when ftecb take their players away, incementaby etc it is beyond laughable

Was the new pay deal of 1.1 billion increased the contracts.

Sky love making sport no longer for the working man. Cos that increase is put onto the fans.

 

[Bri]

taunton [albeit not the biggest place] and the st Lawrence are a short wander from the town. cls [god bless it] is a chew on to get to from a variety of places, more so getting back from late at night. our crowds would be much bigger IMO if it was wandering distance from durham city centre.

Well Durham's a chew on. What're the City Centre car parks like during the day? The Council is trying to keep cars out of the City, probably the easiest would be to go to a park and ride.

Similar with Sunderland I guess, tho the Civic Centre car park and St Marys used to have lots of spaces free.

TBF if you're driving getting to the Riv at CLS is dead easy even for a T20 comp.

 

[Twisted]

Well Durham's a chew on. What're the City Centre car parks like during the day? The Council is trying to keep cars out of the City, probably the easiest would be to go to a park and ride.

Similar with Sunderland I guess, tho the Civic Centre car park and St Marys used to have lots of spaces free.

TBF if you're driving getting to the Riv at CLS is dead easy even for a T20 comp.

but not for the people who live in the city, that's the point, get it in walking distance of paying customers.

I drive to the riverside often and am happy to do so for county cricket and the occasional 50 over, although I would much rather be able to drink. I don't bother for t20

 

[Bri]

but not for the people who live in the city, that's the point, get it in walking distance of paying customers.

I drive to the riverside often and am happy to do so for county cricket and the occasional 50 over, although I would much rather be able to drink. I don't bother for t20

Lot's live outside the City too. Washington, Houghton/Hetton lots live there, Neither Sunderland nor Durham are in walking distance never mind the Consett/Bishop/Seaham/Shields places.

As far as Buses go, CLS is a bit of a hub too, tho not sure if there's a direct bus from Seaham, Bish. (edit, there is a direct bus from Bish to CLS. Need a change from Seaham to CLS tho)

 

[Jap Stammer]

The location of Durham's ground was always going to be a problem, though.

There's not many places (if any) in, or close by, the city of Durham with the requisite amount of space needed to put such a facility, nor Sunderland for that matter. Anything even remotely suitable is already occupied and in use by other long-standing institutions.

Other, longer-established County organisations benefit from having occupied their locations for a long-time while the cities and towns where they are situated have been developed around them.

Chester-le-Street was probably Durham CCC's only viable option, despite it's relatively poor accessibility.

 

[NorthCountryBoy]

I can't see where the mythical new fans will get in at the eight franchise grounds, which sell out mostly already.

Surely if it's new punters they want young and old, then it should be played at the ten grounds where the franchise T20 is not played, and is therefore liable for expansion?

They won't be mythical. There'll be an extra million or two watching on TV versus any cricket in this country since 2005.

It's almost impossible for this competition to have less people watching it.