look out piano
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I'm a woman, so far I have handcuffs in there, tweezers and some nail clippers
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Pensioner kills Burglar
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Tex
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I'm a woman, so far I have handcuffs in there, tweezers and some nail clippers
Gan on there LOP - someone tries to mess with you or your lad you’re gonna pluck the bastard to death!
Laeotaekhun
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little e
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Nope, just your dictionary
I’m saying that certain newspapers which pander to certain types of people who bemoan a loss of “common sense” have jumped on what is a more complex case than something you can apply common sense to.
Is it common sense to say you can kill a burglar in your home? Absolutely not.
Newspapers that pander to angry middle aged blokes upset with their lot in life who want to live vicariously through the actions of others lap that shit up though.
TwasOnTheFifthOfMay
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Well that's OK because everybody thinks they alone already have it.
MackneyHackem
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I studied common sense at the school of hard knocks then got a first in my Bsc honours degree in common sense at the university of life.
TwasOnTheFifthOfMay
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What a total and utter ignorant prick you are. OK, I'll bite.
The post exactly one above the one where I mentioned racism was itself borderline racist, although in fairness the
comment was on the London murder rate thread. However, in general, racism as I said is usually simmering just below the surface on here. Sexism on the other hand is right out in the open and celebrated by some.
Even though there has been a spate of violent deaths recently, in general we live in an incredibly non violent society. The mere fact that 45 or so deaths in a city of 8 million are seen as so terrible is proof of that, and of course most of these are related to gangland culture which stretches back decades in many major cities such as Manchester and Glasgow, rather than general society. Things will settle back to normal soon enough. It was only a few years ago that people were saying society was breaking down as riots and looting broke out across the country. That's pretty much forgotten today.
And yet a lot of posters on here think violence is the answer, saying the burglar here was "fair game" and deserved to be killed as punishment for his crimes, rather than tried and imprisoned. I assume from your comment that you agree with that. Doesn't make sense does it?
I haven't posted much here in the last year, but your name rings a bell as one of the biggest knee jerkers of the lot, and this effort more or less proves it.
zinedine
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Your name rings a bell as the original bagpuss and wicketkeeper, two other embarrassments to the left. They also like to look down their noses at the other contributors.
The vast majority of people while they don't want burglars to be killed during their violent attacks on pensioners, certainly don't shed any tears when it happens. That's normal human nature but as always you're trying to project yourself forward as somebody above that level more sophisticated than the mob. You're not the only one on here who does it which doesn't make it any less cringe worthy to read. It's an anonymous message board man there's no need to pretend you're better than everybody else. Its an easy act to see through.
TwasOnTheFifthOfMay
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You're entitled to your own slant on what you read. I certainly haven't shed any tears over this case, but I'm not calling for all burglars to be killed, as many are. In fact it seems despite what you say, the majority actually do. I don't see the decision for no charges to be brought as a victory for "common sense", but just a correct application of the law. If you think that means I feel superior to those that think those things, there is nothing I can do about it, and to be honest I don't care either.
Incidentally, the following comment appeared at random on the Bangkok branch thread:
It's already been liked. Hmmm. Nah, there's no racism on this forum is there?
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Lord Potts
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I should imagine that in this case the DPP thought that the 78 year old man would be able to argue that he had a reasonable fear that his life was in genuine danger. Given that two much younger men had broken in to his home at night it is not difficult to believe that a very elderly man would be genuinely fearful for his life which may prompt him to take some extreme action in order to protect himself. The law does not require you to allow some one to kill you but you have to be able to demonstrate that it was reasonable for your to believe that is what their intention was and that's why you took the action that you did.
If the home owner had been 60 years old or the same age as the burglars he may not have been able to argue that he had a reasonable fear that his life was in real danger. In that case the DPP might have taken the view that his actions where not born out of a real fear for his own life but perhaps out of revenge or a desire to punish the burglar in which case the action that he took might not be excused. In the famous case a few years back the old fella shot the burglar in the back so of course he was unable to argue convincingly that his life was in danger at the time he fired.
If the home owner had been 60 years old or the same age as the burglars he may not have been able to argue that he had a reasonable fear that his life was in real danger. In that case the DPP might have taken the view that his actions where not born out of a real fear for his own life but perhaps out of revenge or a desire to punish the burglar in which case the action that he took might not be excused. In the famous case a few years back the old fella shot the burglar in the back so of course he was unable to argue convincingly that his life was in danger at the time he fired.
zinedine
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You said this thread not the forum. Anything racist is removed and the author banned anyway.
You really do have a low opinion of this boards members. Like I said find somewhere else if it's that bad.
TwasOnTheFifthOfMay
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Well, I did point out a post on this thread that was a bit racist. I do have a low opinion of posters who are racist, sexist, or glorify football violence, and there are plenty of them. And I did look for, and find, other places to post which don't have it, but in the end, there's no point in just posting with people you agree with is there, when I can point out what crap you post. At least you agree there is underlying racism which, if you look at the OP again, I didn't really specify was just on this thread, even though it was.
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safcforever
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Awwwww bless ya.
Lol. So if a guy breaks into my house and holds a screwdriver to me and he’s the same age I am, I’m not able to demonstrate “reasonable” fear for my life, but if I’m much older than him I can? If you break into someone’s house, you’re fair game. These people want it both ways, they want to be able to break into your home and threaten you and take away all your possessions you’ve worked so hard for, but they don’t want you to fight back with any real force. Tough shit.
Love the angry middle aged blokes of the SMB. Must be nice living in common sense world.
Nobody wants burglars to be able to break into homes and take everything mate. But the use of lethal force isn’t a common sense issue. It’s a complex, context dependent issue that doesn’t at all benefit from being splashed over The Express.
The only reason it is all over the newspapers for angry middle aged men is so they can read it and live out their own fantasies of stabbing a burglar and being patted on the back by Nigel Farage for it
I’m not middle aged and I’m not angry, I just think you get what you deserve if you break into someone house at night when you know they’re bound to be in, so you know in turn that you’ll have to use some sort of physical violence to subdue them and steal their personal items. They know exactly what they’re doing and they know that the chances are they’ll have to have a sort out of some kind so if someone rams a knife into their neck, who gives a fuck? More scum off the streets.
Love the angry middle aged blokes of the SMB. Must be nice living in common sense world.
Nobody wants burglars to be able to break into homes and take everything mate. But the use of lethal force isn’t a common sense issue. It’s a complex, context dependent issue that doesn’t at all benefit from being splashed over The Express.
The only reason it is all over the newspapers for angry middle aged men is so they can read it and live out their own fantasies of stabbing a burglar and being patted on the back by Nigel Farage for it
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....and what a much more wonderful world it would be if all thieving scum was removed from the streets by whatever means
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