Christians gather around hospital to put women off having abortions

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Frijj said:
You said

"Wow, really intimidating :lol:" to a picture of the protestors outside of the hospital.

I replied with

"The hospital trust said they had caused distress to patients.

Do you find distressing vulnerable women to be amusing?"

That's the 'straw man' that you think is justification for you claiming that I actually don't care about these women at all, and that I am only pretending to, to cause arguments?

The hospital said distress had been caused, but you appeared to belittle this distress. You then had a go back at me saying that I only want the protestors' rights limited because they're against my views. You even threw a Labour remark in there.



At the mental, emotional, physical expense of the family. If you feel that it is worth taking the chance that a woman could die in childbirth, because it's wrong to abort the baby/foetus conceived by rape, then we will never, ever agree.
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Fucks sake this is tedious.
It's a long stretch from me laughing at the clip of some protestors to me laughing at possible distress caused to vunerable women. You took what I said and built a straw man from which you could continue the argument you'd created. You know what you did, you tried it with Harry-A earlier in the thread. He didnt bite so you repeated it to me.
 
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Horatio Pugwash said:
That brings back the old chestnut of when is a feotus a baby?
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If it's in a female womb and would develop into a living, breathing human unless terminated then it's a baby IMO. I have no issues with contraception though. Just my personal opinion.

HellsBells said:
After 24 weeks. When it can survive outside of the womb by itself.
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Why is that the standard btw?
 
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Behind Enemy Lines said:
If it's in a female womb and would develop into a living, breathing human unless terminated then it's a baby IMO. I have no issues with contraception though. Just my personal opinion.



Why is that the standard btw?
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Because currently our technology is able to keep alive a baby born after 24 weeks, but before that babies rarely survive. So that’s the legal limit currently.

There was some debate recently about the creation of an artificial womb which is happening, which then brings this limit into debate.
 
Frijj said:
Many non-democratic countries are hardline religious conservative states anyways. Some of the human rights abuses in authoritarian, religious states are shocking. Religion is just a tool of authoritarianism, whether it is state-sanctioned like in the hardline Islamic states or whether it is these protesters.
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Well said!
 
HellsBells said:
Because currently our technology is able to keep alive a baby born after 24 weeks, but before that babies rarely survive. So that’s the legal limit currently.

There was some debate recently about the creation of an artificial womb which is happening, which then brings this limit into debate.
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Seems pretty arbitrary to me. As you say, it will be interesting to see if the goalposts change if we develop technology that can keep a baby alive outside the womb from day one.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Seems pretty arbitrary to me. As you say, it will be interesting to see if the goalposts change if we develop technology that can keep a baby alive outside the womb from day one.
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I don’t think it is arbitrary though. I think it’s based on empirical evidence on when a baby can and does survive outside of the womb by itself.

I think there’s also something about the scan at 20 weeks that is the first time a couple will find out about any bad abnormalities the foetus has. Not just downs, but some of the really awful stuff that means it won’t survive post birth.
 
HellsBells said:
I don’t think it is arbitrary though. I think it’s based on empirical evidence on when a baby can and does survive outside of the womb by itself.

I think there’s also something about the scan at 20 weeks that is the first time a couple will find out about any bad abnormalities the foetus has. Not just downs, but some of the really awful stuff that means it won’t survive post birth.
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Don't other countries judge it differently? Are they mistaken or bettter/ worse at looking after a baby/ foetus at that stage?
 
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