Christians gather around hospital to put women off having abortions

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Harry Angstrom said:
Not at all. I can see that women about to have abortions will find it distressing but somethings are more important than a person's discomfort. One of them is free speech. IMHO.
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You would be happy for a group of people to protest the funeral of one of your close family members, like the Westboro Baptist Church then?

John Steed said:
Wow, really intimidating.:lol:
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The hospital trust said they had caused distress to patients.

Do you find distressing vulnerable women to be amusing?
 


Religion,lol have the nutters moved on and told not to come back simple
 
Occam's Razor said:
:) Same principle applies. Not just letting anyone protest wherever they like, is not the same as denying them freedom of speech. The same people, police forces, local authorities are responsible for deciding where people can demonstrate, to answer your earlier question. You might think they should be allowed to go right up to the ward windows, I think they should be shoved out of sight of the entrance, which is what has happened in similar cases.
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ok, I get your point. My point this principle should be applied in cases where public order may be compromised and that's about it. I don't the principle used to keep football supporters apart and preventing crushes etc is the same as shepherding protestors from places they are protesting because there may be some distress.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
ok, I get your point. My point this principle should be applied in cases where public order may be compromised and that's about it. I don't the principle used to keep football supporters apart and preventing crushes etc is the same as shepherding protestors from places they are protesting because there may be some distress.
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Fair enough, bad example.
 
Frijj said:
You would be happy for a group of people to protest the funeral of one of your close family members, like the Westboro Baptist Church then?



The hospital trust said they had caused distress to patients.

Do you find distressing vulnerable women to be amusing?
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You've already used that line on this thread.
Look if they were protesting about something you agreed with you'd be all for them, freedom of speech you'd scream, they have a right to peacefully protest.. Because you are pro abortion its fuck the protesters rights, I want them stopped. Once again on the smb the intolerance of those who claim to be labour stalwarts shines out.
 
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Frijj said:
You would be happy for a group of people to protest the funeral of one of your close family members, like the Westboro Baptist Church then?
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Sticks and Stones mate. But some of my family may take it into their own hands and the said protestors may be done for incitement. depends on the protest.
 
John Steed said:
You've already used that line on this thread.
Look if they were protesting about something you agreed with you'd be all for them, freedom of speech you'd scream. Because you are pro abortion its fuck the protesters rights, I want them stopped. Once again on the smb the intolerance of those who claim to be labour stalwarts shines out.
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You say that like you been paying attention.

If you had actually being paying attention you’d see that I said that these protesters can protest elsewhere. Just not right outside the hospital.

I don’t think it’s right that religiously motivated protesters are targeting vulnerable women. Do you?
 
Occam's Razor said:
Fair enough, bad example.
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My point is once the principle of freedom to congregate and freedom to protest is curtailed for even the best of intentions, then there is plenty of room for slippage.

I get that people cannot band together and incite others and it is a gray area but I would ere on the side of the protestors.
 
Frijj said:
You say that like you been paying attention.

If you had actually being paying attention you’d see that I said that these protesters can protest elsewhere. Just not right outside the hospital.

I don’t think it’s right that religiously motivated protesters are targeting vulnerable women. Do you?
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Not on hospital grounds which is obvious that they wouldn't be allowed. You can't even have a tab outside a hospital.
 
Looking at the picture I think they've at least managed to get the arseholes at the far end of the hospital well away from gynae, maternity, early pregnancy and all possible related stuff to keep them as out of the way as possible (looks like they're outside the eye and ENT part of it from the brickwork) which shows management doing their best to keep the situation as minimal as possible for patients. Basically they've been shoved as far away from anywhere and near the staff carpark as they can get while getting their right to protest.

I took the tram across yesterday so didn't see this mob at all or I'd have given them some abuse.
 
John Steed said:
You've already used that line on this thread.
Look if they were protesting about something you agreed with you'd be all for them, freedom of speech you'd scream, they gave a right to peacefully protest.. Because you are pro abortion its fuck the protesters rights
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Can't speak for @Frijj but I tend to the opposite. It's more important to extend freedom of speech and protest to those you disagree with; it's hardly worth it to argue for it only when you agree.

Freedom to protest inevitably has limits, it's a case of where the line is drawn. In cases of protesting abortion clinics with the express aim of distressing I think the line has been crossed, however rag-tag the protest might be. It has nothing to do with my pro-choice views, I'd be fundamentally opposed to any attempts to curtail their rights of assembly/protest beyond that.

Anyway, regardless of the law, the protestors themselves should show a modicum of the morality they harp on about and just have some f***ing respect.
 
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