joemcdokes
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We already are paying when you break down the cost to the taxpayer for crime an disorder, prisons, and the NHS etc.The idea that people should be forced to go to work to pay taxes to give junkies free heroin is outrageous.
The argument that they will commit crime of we don't give them free heroin is contemptible.
They will do bad things if we don't give them what they want, so we must give it to them, is complete surrender, agreeing to be perpetually held to ransom.
It's been spelled out so many times but people don't seem to be able to make the connection. Is it because it's been ingrained in people that it needs to be punished?We already are paying when you break down the cost to the taxpayer for crime an disorder, prisons, and the NHS etc.
Our taxes fund the systems in place to tackle the issue, and systems in place are shit.
We also pay through the money we get in our back pocket. We'll be covering losses to shops from shoplifting on everything we buy, and increased insurance premiums to cover payouts from drug related burglaries etc.
They already commit crime, the argument is they will commit less crime if they don't need to find their habit.
I understand why you're outraged. Your outrage is the reason we aren't doing it already.
It's not a surrender, it's pragmatism.
Again, you haven't read the article in the op. Other countries that have a model like this have see. reductions in the number of addicts.So my point is how do you come dependant? Will the rate of people using it not rise? Once they are addicted it's free! And the only way you can become addicted is buy it illegally. Just doesn't make sense mate am sorry because I av friends who have died from all types of addictions. Smoking and drinking is legal and more people die year on year. Go down the needle exchange mate the place is a mess, imagine if it were a clinic.
And I never said celebs weren't addicted I said it's not glamourised.
The fact is they know the risks and still do it so take away the risks anyone wanting to do it then there's no deterrent
They're not successful anymore, that's the point. There are countless people who have stable lives with good jobs and family who end up getting hooked on painkillers after a surgery or an accident, for example.Hold on pal. Where's the incentive to start!!!
It's not like all the successful people in the world take it.
It's not on the front page of the nationals with the headlines "MY NIGHTS WITH MODELS BOOZE AND HEROIN" ..... or me mates saying ya should of seen John in the town last neet on the scag! "Reet laugh"
Sad truth is everyone knows that as soon as you inject heroin your more than likely signing an early death certificate.
In the country's where it's given free I don't understand how you start.
Do ya go to the docs and say "I wanna score" or "I want to try it".
Or do you have to be an addict? in which case the same problems are still there!!!
Few points-The idea that people should be forced to go to work to pay taxes to give junkies free heroin is outrageous.
The argument that they will commit crime of we don't give them free heroin is contemptible.
They will do bad things if we don't give them what they want, so we must give it to them, is complete surrender, agreeing to be perpetually held to ransom.
Is it? good.Class read by the BBC today.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/Heroin
Makes a compelling argument for a Swiss like model where addicts are provided with heroin in a safe environment.
I'm not being serious.
@Hulkster is a low tax, individualist, fuck-everyone-else, conservative type.We already are paying when you break down the cost to the taxpayer for crime an disorder, prisons, and the NHS etc.
Our taxes fund the systems in place to tackle the issue, and systems in place are shit.
We also pay through the money we get in our back pocket. We'll be covering losses to shops from shoplifting on everything we buy, and increased insurance premiums to cover payouts from drug related burglaries etc.
They already commit crime, the argument is they will commit less crime if they don't need to find their habit.
I understand why you're outraged. Your outrage is the reason we aren't doing it already.
It's not a surrender, it's pragmatism.
Ah. OK.
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between your real reactionary opinions and your sarcastic reactionary opinions.
So my point is how do you come dependant? Will the rate of people using it not rise? Once they are addicted it's free! And the only way you can become addicted is buy it illegally. Just doesn't make sense mate am sorry because I av friends who have died from all types of addictions. Smoking and drinking is legal and more people die year on year. Go down the needle exchange mate the place is a mess, imagine if it were a clinic.
And I never said celebs weren't addicted I said it's not glamourised.
The fact is they know the risks and still do it so take away the risks anyone wanting to do it then there's no deterrent
Cannabanoid is an amazing word.
Have you been to Manchester recently? Did you ever try and run the gauntlet of the smackheads in Piccadilly Gardens on Market Street who were normally off their tits on weed?
Well now we have Spice Zombies.
Do you think we'd ever reach the same cultural understanding about drugs and drug use that Holland has? Not a chance in hell if our scratters are anything to go by
Anti Freeze tastes better and it kills you quicker.For the last few years I have been addicted to brake fuel. I can stop anytime.
In which case you have to look at how doctors prescribe painkillers and all the miriad of other numbing drugs for both mind and body they seem to hand out like confetti and for how long.They're not successful anymore, that's the point. There are countless people who have stable lives with good jobs and family who end up getting hooked on painkillers after a surgery or an accident, for example.
It amazes me that people still think the cannabis people buy in Holland is somehow 'legal'. It is not. The cannabis you buy in the average coffee shop goes to criminal gangs as much as buying weed over here. The cannabis in Holland is mainly supplied by gangs.
People using 'legal highs' isn't a justification of making weed illegal. It's just a shit excuse.
I agree that there is more of an argument of taking drugs like heroin out of the system to get people off it than there is of legalizing more softer drugs to get people onto those drugs and away from synthetic shite.
The idea that people should be forced to go to work to pay taxes to give junkies free heroin is outrageous.
The argument that they will commit crime of we don't give them free heroin is contemptible.
They will do bad things if we don't give them what they want, so we must give it to them, is complete surrender, agreeing to be perpetually held to ransom.
They should.In which case you have to look at how doctors prescribe painkillers and all the miriad of other numbing drugs for both mind and body they seem to hand out like confetti and for how long.
How would a person addicted to heroin function in a normal day if they went to a centre to receive a prescribed dose? Are they able to get their hit then spaz out for an hour or so then go on with their day? This is a genuine question as I have no idea how long between taking the drug is tolerable before they start getting the come down.You're right. Fuck them, dirty smack head bastards. Why should we give them any help at all, f***ing wasters that they all are. Well, apart from the ones I worked with in Holland who got heroin prescribed which helped them stabilize their life and actually go to work rather than going out and stealing shit to pay for a bag of crap smack. But yeah, fuck that, let's just live them to sink instead. Fuck helping them, what a waste of time that would be.
It's been spelled out so many times but people don't seem to be able to make the connection. Is it because it's been ingrained in people that it needs to be punished?
Heroin doesn't make you "spaz out".How would a person addicted to heroin function in a normal day if they went to a centre to receive a prescribed dose? Are they able to get their hit then spaz out for an hour or so then go on with their day? This is a genuine question as I have no idea how long between taking the drug is tolerable before they start getting the come down.