Need to drive Ellis out of Sunderland.

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Grumpy Old Man said:
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't - it's just pot luck in the buyer you find. That's true in any sale of course, but in a sale out of insolvency the price is lower, and the odds on getting a chancer are that much higher. The only certainty, really, is that any new owner will be an investor, not a benefactor. People expecting a magic money tree from a new owner are likely to be sadly disappointed.
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And tory buzzwords into the bargain. Wow.

That actually makes perfect sense in terms of message: "things are shit but they could be worse so don't go hoping for anything better".
 


Nelson! said:
I gave you a "real world" scenario from our own history where the owner was in debt and the fans protested, we were sold mere weeks later.

You've ignored that completely.
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I haven't ignored it. I was one of the instigators in a small way.

Football has changed a lot in a decade. If Murray had put two hundred million quid in do you reckon he'd be asking for ten for the club?
 
redgauntlet said:
The problem is that it will not be easy to touch him, it needs to be legal but effective. Other than emptying the stadium what else is there.
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Id love to see people burning pictures of him outside the stadium tbh :lol:
But seriously, I did exactly that over a year ago because of him, will never return until he has gone.
 
How much do the doubters have to invest? what would their business plan look like - "hoy money at it, buy proper players and get a class manager" - doesn't count. Unless of course they can actually do that, in that case, then come on down!!!

I don't disagree it's shite..... but I've not seen anybody else rock up with a barrow full of cash to change it (from Sunderland or wherever) . It's really easy for us all (me included) to jump on a keyboard and dish out the odds - but those that shout, very rarely do.

I agree: Ellis Short is at fault because he's the owner, his MD is at fault - just because he/she is!! The manager is at fault because, well he's mebbes not the best and as for the players, well they're a work in progress (sounds better than shite). But until someone else with money is prepared to back up the talk......well we are where we are.

I genuinely don't know if Ellis Short is all the things that were suggested...... or if he genuinely wanted it to be a success. I do know, as the fickle fans we are, we reserve the right to change our views accordingly, as and when we see fit.
 
The Exile said:
I haven't ignored it. I was one of the instigators in a small way.

Football has changed a lot in a decade. If Murray had put two hundred million quid in do you reckon he'd be asking for ten for the club?
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Short isn't being offered ten though. Reportedly he was offered 80 for a business he's gotten into 200m debt and turned it down. You don't think there's any chance that if owning the club became a personal hassle/risk to his reputation he's maybe take the 80 instead of holding out for every penny back?
 
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haway said:
I think it's pretty clear why. Every penny you spend at SAFC isn't going into buying players etc. - it's going into Ellis' pocket as he frantically tries to recoup the money he wasted. If he's losing £10m a year at SAFC (say) then it will be less urgent for him to sell than if he's losing £20m. The more money his ownership of SAFC costs him, the more incentive he has to drop his asking price. It's pretty simple economics really.
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So you really think any money the club brings in is going into Short's pocket and not into the clubs own account?

Is this feasible @Grumpy Old Man ?

He's a billionaire ffs, loss of a few million (or probably even less) isn't going to hurt him.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
You really, really think a new owner will come in and provide virtually unlimited funds?
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Where have I said that? You're moving the goalposts because you can't defend Short on his own merit.

I'd settle for someone who has any ambition regardign the football team rather than someone willing to wreck the club to claw a bit back.

Have a look at this season's PL for plenty clubs who were in loads of debt but now have new owners and are doing better than us. Stop pretending it's impossible.
 
WHD said:
So you really think any money the club brings in is going into Short's pocket and not into the clubs own account?

Is this feasible @Grumpy Old Man ?

He's a billionaire ffs, loss of a few million (or probably even less) isn't going to hurt him.
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Lazy language more likely. Most of the time when people refer to that they really mean paying off debt rather than retaining money in the club. Obviously - to suggest otherwise would be to suggest illegal acitivities and potentially libellous ;)
 
haway said:
You're getting ridiculous now. Can you give me 1 example of a UK football club owner winding a club up out of spite? :lol:
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Give me one reason he wouldn't?

He's not bothered about the club but at the moment is propping us up. Who knows what he'll do if he gets really pissed off. He didn't become a billionaire by giving a shit about who he trampled into the ground.

Grumpy Old Man said:
Lazy language more likely. Most of the time when people refer to that they really mean paying off debt rather than retaining money in the club. Obviously - to suggest otherwise would be to suggest illegal acitivities and potentially libellous ;)
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@haway really believes Short is literally pocketing the money. Surely he wouldn't be coming up with these hair brained ideas if he didn’t??
 
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Nelson! said:
Where have I said that? You're moving the goalposts because you can't defend Short on his own merit.

I'd settle for someone who has any ambition regardign the football team rather than someone willing to wreck the club to claw a bit back.

Have a look at this season's PL for plenty clubs who were in loads of debt but now have new owners and are doing better than us. Stop pretending it's impossible.
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Ambition costs money.

Southampton sold Oxlade Chamberlain to fund their academy. The former chief exec said that on the radio this afternoon. Can you imagine the reaction here if similar happened?

sir rowell cummins said:
A committed owner would have invested more than this. The bloke is a complete twat and his lack of interest commitment and effort is clearly shafting us fans. Do you think Ellis should stay? Do you seriously not think we could get a better option than him ?
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More than two hundred million?

Easy to say when it's not your money being so poorly used you might as well have burned it.
 
That we want him to stop ruining OUR football club that has been at the heart of a community for 138 years. Anyone know where he spends his days? how we can 'get at him' Not suggesting anyone physically harms him. I wouldn't like to hear about that, of course not ;)
 
gatopreto said:
That we want him to stop ruining OUR football club that has been at the heart of a community for 138 years. Anyone know where he spends his days? how we can 'get at him' Not suggesting anyone physically harms him. I wouldn't like to hear about that, of course not ;)
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I think he's aware
 
WHD said:
Give me one reason he wouldn't?

He's not bothered about the club but at the moment is propping us up. Who knows what he'll do if he gets really pissed off. He didn't become a billionaire by giving a shit about who he trampled into the ground.
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If we're just going to start making things up that are completely without precedent then I can say there's every chance if we push him out and a new owner comes in we will will the Premier League.

Oh wait.....my flight of fancy actually does have a precedent. I'm not sure why those who are scared of any sort of change always pretend to be practical.

The Exile said:
Ambition costs money.

Southampton sold Oxlade Chamberlain to fund their academy. The former chief exec said that on the radio this afternoon. Can you imagine the reaction here if similar happened?
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Eh??? What a weird comparison to make. We just sold Pickford for 30m and funded absolutely nothing with that cash. I don't see any riots unfortunately.
 
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