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Rafa. He's still not happy

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marco popas said:
Not bothered about that, it's mainly a load of shite anyway. The 4 players you mention ba and remy went to Chelsea nothing to do about wage offers. Townsend wanted to play in the PL and Ben Arfa was chased as he was a waster as proved since he left, apart from 1 season in France. None left because of wage offers.
Benitez has spent about £100m in little over a year building this squad. If pardew had assembled the same squad there would be hell on.
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Ba left because of a transfer clause, as did Townsend, a clause that could have been avoided had we paid a little more in wages. Remy could have joined were he offered a commensurate wage to his value to the team.

Ben Arfa was chased out, but I was saying we didn't get value for any of them and haven't done for a while under Ashley. A criticism that is levelled at Benitez.

"About £100m" is a little harsh, but I don't care enough to nitpick. And fwiw we go over this every time, he totally overhauled a broken squad and made it fit for purpose. To do that and win the league will cost money, but it cost only some of the money we had available, so what exactly is the nature of your complaint?

Benitez has righted a sinking ship and returned to it the Premier League, Sunderland fans mithering about the cost of that is daft. We haven't broken any financial rules, we haven't blithely gambled on our club's financial future and we're near as damnit breaking even.

This gets juggled up as Benitez has wasted millions, only scraping to the title and will likely send us down again because, according to some on here, he's not a very good football manager. :lol: It's mental.

Banks said:
Point still stands. You spent 100m.at least last season with little turnover.

Would you rather Ashley was sensible as he is doing now or put the clubs long to medium term future at risk ala Short.
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I don't think it's a binary state, there's a whole swathe of grey in between those options you describe.

I don't think spending the money we're to receive from the Premier League for this season, within this transfer window would put the club's long to medium term future at risk.

It appears Ashley & co are baulking at prices like £13m for Lucas Perez (regardless of whether the player would come or not), that's very very risky. Spending on quality to better deliver survive is a gamble, but hoping what you've already got is enough is a far, far more dicey prospect.
 
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10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 said:
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Like fuckin mackerel fishing ffs
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Oh dear, oh dear ....... I thought I'd seen some thick people on these forums but you really take the ginger piss biscuit :lol:

You've somehow managed to miss the blindingly obvious point that these threads are posted specifically to get Mags chomping.

And you fall into the trap time after time after time .....it's lambs to the slaughter but funnier.

Sadly you're more tragic than comic but I suspect you really know that deep down.
 
Reiver said:
Oh dear, oh dear ....... I thought I'd seen some thick people on these forums but you really take the ginger piss biscuit :lol:

You've somehow managed to miss the blindingly obvious point that these threads are posted specifically to get Mags chomping.

And you fall into the trap time after time after time .....it's lambs to the slaughter but funnier.

Sadly you're more tragic than comic but I suspect you really know that deep down.
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He's a lads fan apparently :rolleyes::oops::rolleyes:

What a tit

Come on these threads and you can always bet there's a mag making a tit of himself and the fish typing his pointless essays that nobody reads

Tbf to you though @The Fish at least your not pretending give you credit for that
 
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Benitez was only ever using Newcastle to raise his own profile and get his reputation back among the top jobs when he goes. Despite him having ample time to keep Newcastle up, he failed. Spending considerable amounts of money to fail to keep them up was a black mark against him.

Then he wins the league, okay fair play. But take into account Newcastle had by a country mile the biggest budget in that league and were one of the biggest clubs, it's a decent achievement but nothing special.

Bizarre that Newcastle fans think so highly of him. The media almost whip up a frenzy to watch it fail. Suppose it gives them something to talk about both times.

Their squad looks poor to me. Definitely bottom 6, they may survive but that won't please the Geordie nation. I've heard a couple speaking of top 10 and pushing for Europe.
 
Laidback Jack said:
Benitez was only ever using Newcastle to raise his own profile and get his reputation back among the top jobs when he goes. Despite him having ample time to keep Newcastle up, he failed. Spending considerable amounts of money to fail to keep them up was a black mark against him.

Then he wins the league, okay fair play. But take into account Newcastle had by a country mile the biggest budget in that league and were one of the biggest clubs, it's a decent achievement but nothing special.

Bizarre that Newcastle fans think so highly of him. The media almost whip up a frenzy to watch it fail. Suppose it gives them something to talk about both times.

Their squad looks poor to me. Definitely bottom 6, they may survive but that won't please the Geordie nation. I've heard a couple speaking of top 10 and pushing for Europe.
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Villa?
 
Laidback Jack said:
Think yours was bigger wasn't it? In terms of wages and transfer money.

Either way bar Villa youse were streets ahead of the majority of the division. I reckon a lot of managers could have got Newcastle promoted last year.
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I dont disagree with that - however in his/our defence we had to spend the money to replace the players we lost. We also signed some drivvel for squad filler which we will/ate struggling to shift.
 
mag in peace said:
I dont disagree with that - however in his/our defence we had to spend the money to replace the players we lost. We also signed some drivvel for squad filler which we will/ate struggling to shift.
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I agree but i'd argue Benitez has to a certain extent, continued the spending on squad players that won't be good enough for the PL next season.

Last summer he signed Hanley Clark Diame Sels Gamez Lazaar and Daryl Murphy. Those players listed cost Newcastle around 30m. Can't see many of them being much use to you now you're promoted.

It seems like it was just "Make sure we get promoted first time" and bollocks to what happens afterwards. I appreciate you got 80m from sales like but he still spent that money.
 
Laidback Jack said:
Benitez was only ever using Newcastle to raise his own profile and get his reputation back among the top jobs when he goes. Despite him having ample time to keep Newcastle up, he failed. Spending considerable amounts of money to fail to keep them up was a black mark against him.

Then he wins the league, okay fair play. But take into account Newcastle had by a country mile the biggest budget in that league and were one of the biggest clubs, it's a decent achievement but nothing special.

Bizarre that Newcastle fans think so highly of him. The media almost whip up a frenzy to watch it fail. Suppose it gives them something to talk about both times.

Their squad looks poor to me. Definitely bottom 6, they may survive but that won't please the Geordie nation. I've heard a couple speaking of top 10 and pushing for Europe.
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He arrived in March. He spent nothing until the summer.
 
mag in peace said:
I dont disagree with that - however in his/our defence we had to spend the money to replace the players we lost.

We also signed some drivvel for squad filler which we will/ate struggling to shift.
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Haway man, some of those players were signed for good money, on long contracts, to replace the likes of Dummett & Darlow.

They were absolutely terrible signings, the keeper was about £6 million.
 
Laidback Jack said:
Benitez was only ever using Newcastle to raise his own profile and get his reputation back among the top jobs when he goes. Despite him having ample time to keep Newcastle up, he failed. Spending considerable amounts of money to fail to keep them up was a black mark against him.

Then he wins the league, okay fair play. But take into account Newcastle had by a country mile the biggest budget in that league and were one of the biggest clubs, it's a decent achievement but nothing special.

Bizarre that Newcastle fans think so highly of him. The media almost whip up a frenzy to watch it fail. Suppose it gives them something to talk about both times.

Their squad looks poor to me. Definitely bottom 6, they may survive but that won't please the Geordie nation. I've heard a couple speaking of top 10 and pushing for Europe.
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I'm not sure that I follow? Benitez never spent a penny in his efforts to keep them up, that was the WWAB in January, he spunked a fortune
 
mag in peace said:
We do our business upfront, we wont be paying any fees for those players still. It was one of the few positive changes Ashley made. He also demanded money upfront in one whack - made the news with the sale of Carroll at 35m upfront.

Also why the Sissoko deal was so unusual as its not how he normally operates.
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Strange how you's tried to pay installments for Lejeune but Eibar wouldn't have it so how the fuck do you know you paid for other players upfront
 
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