Rafa. He's still not happy

[The Fish]

How do you think Benitez would have got on last season if he had the budget of Simon Grayson aboot 2 million as it stands

Don't know, depends who stayed and who left. For him not to have the budget he did some of the better players would have had to stay. How would we have done with Townsend, or Janmaat, or Sissoko or Wijnaldum? I don't think we'd have won it, but we'd have been all right imo.

I understand there'll be a bias, but the stance on Benitez I read on here is baffling. He's not a world class manager, but he's a f***ing good one. Why else would rumours of his departure from Newcastle be greeted so gleefully on here?

Nice try Reiver, but you know that's not remotely true.

 

[AlpineExile]

Don't know, depends who stayed and who left. For him not to have the budget he did some of the better players would have had to stay. How would we have done with Townsend, or Janmaat, or Sissoko or Wijnaldum? I don't think we'd have won it, but we'd have been all right imo.

I understand there'll be a bias, but the stance on Benitez I read on here is baffling. He's not a world class manager, but he's a f***ing good one. Why else would rumours of his departure from Newcastle be greeted so gleefully on here?


Nice try Reiver, but you know that's not remotely true.

Cos we like the churn, silly.

 

[Doberman]

Don't know, depends who stayed and who left. For him not to have the budget he did some of the better players would have had to stay. How would we have done with Townsend, or Janmaat, or Sissoko or Wijnaldum? I don't think we'd have won it, but we'd have been all right imo.

I understand there'll be a bias, but the stance on Benitez I read on here is baffling. He's not a world class manager, but he's a f***ing good one. Why else would rumours of his departure from Newcastle be greeted so gleefully on here?


Nice try Reiver, but you know that's not remotely true.

because of the meltdown it would cause based on absolutely nothing?

Same old story with Rafa. Needs to sign 80 players so he can find 5 good ones. Ashley isn't letting him do it and now toy's are out the pram because he can't do his job. How about he coaches the £50million worth of talent he's already signed? Stupid fat whinging buffoon.

Biggest fraud in English football - player or manager.

 

[The Situation]

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George Caulkin:

He 'can't' quit because under terms of his contract clubs would have to pay NUFC hefty compensation whether he was still employed or not.

 

[scott934]

Don't you think there's a reason why those clubs gave Benitez the job and not Sam Allardyce? If "Big Sam" was a manager that could perform at the upper reaches of the league he would have been offered a job there. Big clubs have given opportunities to Moyes, Rodgers, Hughes, and so on, so it's not a closed shop, is it?

The owners and directors of those clubs would surely have given him a shot if they thought he was up to it, but he's shown his limit is about midtable. Which is no mean feat, but not good enough for them.

English managers almost never get a chance at the big jobs. Just had a quick scan of Benitez history before he was given his first big job at Valencia, there's nothing that stands out. On the continent managers have to do a lot less to get a chance, Eddie Howe would be at a big club already.

 

[mr chuckles]

Don't know, depends who stayed and who left. For him not to have the budget he did some of the better players would have had to stay. How would we have done with Townsend, or Janmaat, or Sissoko or Wijnaldum? I don't think we'd have won it, but we'd have been all right imo.

I understand there'll be a bias, but the stance on Benitez I read on here is baffling. He's not a world class manager, but he's a f***ing good one. Why else would rumours of his departure from Newcastle be greeted so gleefully on here?


Nice try Reiver, but you know that's not remotely true.

The thing is a lot of your fans don't help the cause as they all describe Benitez as world class. I agree he's a very decent manager but a lot of your fans go way over the top about him mind

This season will show how good of a manager he is as it's probably the first time he's managed a pretty poor/ aveeage squad in the premier league

 

[Gaz]

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George Caulkin:

He 'can't' quit because under terms of his contract clubs would have to pay NUFC hefty compensation whether he was still employed or not.

How the fuck did they manage that

 

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George Caulkin:

He 'can't' quit because under terms of his contract clubs would have to pay NUFC hefty compensation whether he was still employed or not.

Don't believe such a shrewd manager as king Rafa would accept that mind.

The thing is a lot of your fans don't help the cause as they all describe Benitez as world class. I agree he's a very decent manager but a lot of your fans go way over the top about him mind

This season will show how good of a manager he is as it's probably the first time he's managed a pretty poor/ aveeage squad in the premier league

Bedsheet vigils to him

 

[The Fish]

English managers almost never get a chance at the big jobs. Just had a quick scan of Benitez history before he was given his first big job at Valencia, there's nothing that stands out. On the continent managers have to do a lot less to get a chance, Eddie Howe would be at a big club already.

There is a different mentality on the continent. But part of the reason there haven't been English managers at the big clubs is because there's been a f***ing absence of them. Howe is interesting and I honestly think if he has another good season at Bournemouth he'll be in the conversations for clubs like Arsenal, Tottenham etc.

Aside from Howe, which good English managers have unfairly not had a chance at a proper big club?

Also, when Man United, Man City can cherry pick the very best managers around, why would they risk their club's future in the hands of someone who isn't tested. Had Howe moved to Germany and dragged Mainz into a title challenge, or won the French league with Nice or Lyon he'd have a better chance of breaking into the Premier League's elite, than if he stays at Bournemouth and gets them to 8th a few seasons in a row.

The thing is a lot of your fans don't help the cause as they all describe Benitez as world class. I agree he's a very decent manager but a lot of your fans go way over the top about him mind

This season will show how good of a manager he is as it's probably the first time he's managed a pretty poor/ aveeage squad in the premier league

It's just hyperbole, you cannot reasonably expect Newcastle fans to caveat their praise for their manager just to calm the fury on Wearside? Fwiw, I don't call him world class and the majority of my mates are the same. Those that do call him world class are just meaning he's a very good manager and much, much better standard than we expected to have under Ashley.

Agree with your last bit entirely, it's a big task ahead of him, made tougher by our modest spending. Modest by this market anyway. Put it this way, we spent more the last time we came up than we have this time and we had a much better squad. We were able to keep much of our Premier League players after our 09 relegation, so when we came up we had a settled Premier League back line, an experienced midfield and an exciting young striker up front. A few gambles and we ended up finishing 12th on 46pts. I'd snap your hands off for that now if it was offered.

 

[steven]

Thing I really don't get is why Benitez seemingly signed a contract with a then-Championship club that is very costly to resign from, when he's got a total dickhead like Ashley running the club. It doesn't make any sense.

 

[scott934]

There is a different mentality on the continent. But part of the reason there haven't been English managers at the big clubs is because there's been a f***ing absence of them. Howe is interesting and I honestly think if he has another good season at Bournemouth he'll be in the conversations for clubs like Arsenal, Tottenham etc.

Aside from Howe, which good English managers have unfairly not had a chance at a proper big club?

Also, when Man United, Man City can cherry pick the very best managers around, why would they risk their club's future in the hands of someone who isn't tested. Had Howe moved to Germany and dragged Mainz into a title challenge, or won the French league with Nice or Lyon he'd have a better chance of breaking into the Premier League's elite, than if he stays at Bournemouth and gets them to 8th a few seasons in a row.

Juventus can also cherry pick a manager, but they went with Conte, who'd had an up and down career at that point. Manchester United would never do that these days.

Big Sam got promoted then had Bolton in Europe, got them to a cup final, he never got an offer.

To follow on from your last example, Steve McClaren won the dutch title with Twente, where were Chelsea or Arsenal with an offer?

 

[The Fish]

Juventus can also cherry pick a manager, but they went with Conte, who'd had an up and down career at that point. Manchester United would never do that these days.

Big Sam got promoted then had Bolton in Europe, got them to a cup final, he never got an offer.

To follow on from your last example, Steve McClaren won the dutch title with Twente, where were Chelsea or Arsenal with an offer?

Manchester United employed a manager with an up and down career and it didn't go well for them.

Getting promoted and getting to a cup final isn't that impressive when that's pretty much all he's done. And, as I've said, his football it great for keeping clubs up, but it just will not deliver a title.

McClaren had a few blots on his CV, his England time, his time at Wolfsburg, and subsequently Forest, Twente, Derby and Newcastle. I think if he'd gone abroad directly from Boro and delivered a league title for Twente (or whomever) he may have had a shot at an elite English club.

There isn't some conspiracy to keep English managers down, they're just not good enough. If they were they'd get the jobs, Sheikh Mansoor couldn't give a shit if you're English, French or North Korean, if you can deliver the trophies he wants he'll employ you.

 

[4everredandwhite]

When was the last time your lot had a manager as good as Rafa? If ever.

I can actually taste the bitterness on here, actual name calling and all sorts, smacks of a small time lower league club desperately trying to convince themselves that hes not a good manager to make themselves feel better about their continuing plight.

You should worry about your championship safety, shite squad, pink seats and half empty stadium before worrying about whether a manager who's almost won it all is any good or not.

I look forward to the next 5 threads on the matter. And you wonder why so many mags come on here

Now that's what I call a bite ! Hook, line and sinker ! Embarrassing really

 

[scott934]

Manchester United employed a manager with an up and down career and it didn't go well for them.

Getting promoted and getting to a cup final isn't that impressive when that's pretty much all he's done. And, as I've said, his football it great for keeping clubs up, but it just will not deliver a title.

McClaren had a few blots on his CV, his England time, his time at Wolfsburg, and subsequently Forest, Twente, Derby and Newcastle. I think if he'd gone abroad directly from Boro and delivered a league title for Twente (or whomever) he may have had a shot at an elite English club.

There isn't some conspiracy to keep English managers down, they're just not good enough. If they were they'd get the jobs, Sheikh Mansoor couldn't give a shit if you're English, French or North Korean, if you can deliver the trophies he wants he'll employ you.

Who did Manchester United appoint with an up and down career?
Conte had blots on his CV too.

Ok so tell me about Bolton before Sam Allardyce and Bolton after Sam Allardyce, and compare it to when he was there. Who's to say he can't adapt with better players?

 

[Ale taster]

Thing I really don't get is why Benitez seemingly signed a contract with a then-Championship club that is very costly to resign from, when he's got a total dickhead like Ashley running the club. It doesn't make any sense.

That's why it isn't true.

 

[The Fish]

Who did Manchester United appoint with an up and down career?
Conte had blots on his CV too.

Ok so tell me about Bolton before Sam Allardyce and Bolton after Sam Allardyce, and compare it to when he was there. Who's to say he can't adapt with better players?

Moyes. 15 7 17 4 11 6 7 and so on
Course he did.

Do you honestly believe there's a conspiracy against Allardyce, keeping him from the big jobs? It's got nothing to do with his performance and brand of football?

Another thing to consider; how difficult is it for a team to break into the traditional top 5-6 teams in the Premier League, how difficult to get a Champions or Europa League spot? Now, how many teams would you need to usurp in the other European leagues to do the same?

 

[Pukka pad]

What, ever ever?
I don't know, one day far into the future we may just be lucky enough to find ourselves in a position hovering just above the relegation zone with an expensively assembled squad and circumstances meaning that a manager of Benitez's ilk, wanting a route back to the country and league but with no other credible offers can be attracted by a disproportionate salary to take us down.

he'd turn you down man

 

[Mary Hinge]

Don't know, depends who stayed and who left. For him not to have the budget he did some of the better players would have had to stay. How would we have done with Townsend, or Janmaat, or Sissoko or Wijnaldum? I don't think we'd have won it, but we'd have been all right imo.

I understand there'll be a bias, but the stance on Benitez I read on here is baffling. He's not a world class manager, but he's a f***ing good one. Why else would rumours of his departure from Newcastle be greeted so gleefully on here?


Nice try Reiver, but you know that's not remotely true.

Yea 'cos those players would have stayed eh? We revel in all of the managerial demises, of which there have been many, at the lop sided carbuncle......

Fat Fookin omelette gobbla

 

[The Fish]

Yea 'cos those players would have stayed eh? We revel in all of the managerial demises, of which there have been many, at the lop sided carbuncle......

Fat Fookin omelette gobbla

No, but we were dealing in a hypothetical. Either they go and he's got the money, or they stay and he doesn't.

 

[Howard the Duck]

he'd turn you down man

I know you're just playing to the gallery man, I'm not falling for it!