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Benitez Future In Doubt Over Failure to Secure Key Signings

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Binxy said:
Why do you feel the need to compare everything with Villa, what they spent and ultimately failed to do is irrelevant. McLaren was a failure and so will Benitez be if you go down.
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Because people keep stating that "with the amount you spent", yet they don't hold other clubs to the same measure.
They state "You spent £55m" without taking into account how many came in, and how many were needed. This wasn't largesse. Money isn't the be all and end all, it's where it's spent and what is done with the players bought. In that regard Benitez spent within his means to assemble a title winning side. How can that possibly be thought of as anything but a successful transfer window?

Your last sentence is inarguably true.
 

The Fish said:
The 15/16 squad needed to be overhauled for the Championship. That Championship winning squad needs to be built upon to make it ready for the top flight.

We spent less than Villa, we bought 11 new players, got a good mix of youth and experience, were promoted as champions at the first time of asking.

We're now selling some of that squad and adding young hungry players and gambling on apparent quality from other leagues. We've spent a bit, but not an inordinate amount. Less than Huddersfield e.g.

I honestly can't see people's problem beyond the fact that the club that undertook those overhauls is Newcastle United...
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Rafa is a cheque book manager.

Unless rafa can install an attitude like Keane did at our place that team would struggle. Other than Ritchie and Gayle I genuinely dont think there was much between our and your squad last season and we finished rock bottom
 
Reiver said:
It wasn't and was never thought of as such at the time.

In the year Newcastle won the Fairs Cup teams would simply fail to show up for matches and games were decided on the toss of a coin.

UEFA didn't even recognise the competition, never mind regard it as 'major'.

FIFA claimed it was a major trophy only after racists like Rous joined and decided to attempt to justify their part in organising it.
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It was.

In the European Cup that year, Milan reached the final having received a bye in an earlier round, it was fairly common in both competitions in those days when teams realised they were struggling to fulfil their domestic fixtures.
 
The Fish said:
Because people keep stating that "with the amount you spent", yet they don't hold other clubs to the same measure.
They state "You spent £55m" without taking into account how many came in, and how many were needed. This wasn't largesse. Money isn't the be all and end all, it's where it's spent and what is done with the players bought. In that regard Benitez spent within his means to assemble a title winning side. How can that possibly be thought of as anything but a successful transfer window?

Your last sentence is inarguably true.
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If it precludes new signings and results in a third relegation ..........
 
Banks said:
Round and round we go :lol:

Bruce wasnt manager when they spent that money. You use villa as a argument but then dismiss it when its used against Rafa already having a good enough squad when he arrived.

Called having your cake and eating it.
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Bruce had more than 10 games with the club to achieve their aims, and he had a transfer window where he spent a further £20m on top of the £52m that was spent in the summer.

Reiver said:
If it precludes new signings and results in a third relegation ..........
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Last season's summer window delivered on our targets. It is fundamentally not a failure.

If this season's transfer windows don't keep us up, they are failures.
 
Mallard said:
Rafa is a cheque book manager.

Unless rafa can install an attitude like Keane did at our place that team would struggle. Other than Ritchie and Gayle I genuinely dont think there was much between our and your squad last season and we finished rock bottom
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Rafa has installed a winning mentality, a committed resolve and a team ethos. That's why we ground out wins in a long hard season. You don't win leagues with a team bereft of the right attitude.
 
janey said:
Says he's not happy with the lack of quality signings, yet they are his chosen signings apparently
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The chronicle were just saying all 4 signings were specific personal targets of the waiter, we've also heard how great these 4 players are going to be too. Is the waiter going to spit his dummy on a weekly basis now.
 
The Fish said:
Bruce had more than 10 games with the club to achieve their aims, and he had a transfer window where he spent a further £20m on top of the £52m that was spent in the summer.
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He had a january transfer window where its impossible to totally restructure a club.

McClaren spent 80m which Rafa inherited players like Shelvey Lascelles Mbemba Mitrovic De Jong Wijinaldum Sissoko Cisse. All key players or players who made an impact in giving Rafa funds to reshape the side.

You cant use Villa as a benchmark but then refuse to critcise Rafa for having more than enough resources and limping to promotion.
 
NU72 said:
It was.

In the European Cup that year, Milan reached the final having received a bye in an earlier round, it was fairly common in both competitions in those days when teams realised they were struggling to fulfil their domestic fixtures.
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As far as I recall, without checking, it was only the first round of the European Cup when teams failed to fulfil their fixtures and Milan didn't have an opponent in the 2nd round.

In the Fairs Cup the team Ujpest played in the semi, Goztepe or some name like that, had a walkover in the quarter final.

Withdrawals weren't common in the European Cup, I have a feeling the withdrawals that year were political not because of domestic fixtures.
 
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cosmicchris00 said:
Move along now..... argumentative nitwit coming through here
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I mean, you can keep dodging the point and claiming I am, but it's pretty clear that you said "Ashley won't fall for that again", when Constructive Dismissal isn't something you "fall for". You're just trying to obfuscate something that has made you look a little foolish.
 
Banks said:
He had a january transfer window where its impossible to totally restructure a club.

McClaren spent 80m which Rafa inherited players like Shelvey Lascelles Mbemba Mitrovic De Jong Wijinaldum Sissoko Cisse. All key players or players who made an impact in giving Rafa funds to reshape the side.

You cant use Villa as a benchmark but then refuse to critcise Rafa for having more than enough resources and limping to promotion.
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Limping to promotion? :lol: Behave yourself man.

One window is demonstrably enough to restructure a club, Benitez did just that. One summer window and he overhauled the squad, and delivered the league title. Bruce inherited a very strong Championship squad. Fairly certain they were amongst the pre-season favourites to win the league too.


Binxy said:
Mick McCarthy had a team that won the league with great attitude, it was relegated with 15 points the following season.
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He did. It was. You think that's going to happen to Newcastle?
 
The Fish said:
Bruce had more than 10 games with the club to achieve their aims, and he had a transfer window where he spent a further £20m on top of the £52m that was spent in the summer.
Last season's summer window delivered on our targets. It is fundamentally not a failure.

If this season's transfer windows don't keep us up, they are failures.
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Last season's windows will have a direct and unquestionable effect on this season.
 
The Fish said:
Limping to promotion? :lol: Behave yourself man.

One window is demonstrably enough to restructure a club, Benitez did just that. One summer window and he overhauled the squad, and delivered the league title. Bruce inherited a very strong Championship squad. Fairly certain they were amongst the pre-season favourites to win the league too.



He did. It was. You think that's going to happen to Newcastle?
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Didn't say that. Every team that gets promoted has the qualities you mentioned that's all.
 
The Fish said:
Limping to promotion? :lol: Behave yourself man.

One window is demonstrably enough to restructure a club, Benitez did just that. One summer window and he overhauled the squad, and delivered the league title. Bruce inherited a very strong Championship squad. Fairly certain they were amongst the pre-season favourites to win the league too.



He did. It was. You think that's going to happen to Newcastle?
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Keep buying players like Manquillo and I will live in hope ;).
 
The Fish said:
Limping to promotion? :lol: Behave yourself man.

One window is demonstrably enough to restructure a club, Benitez did just that. One summer window and he overhauled the squad, and delivered the league title. Bruce inherited a very strong Championship squad. Fairly certain they were amongst the pre-season favourites to win the league too.



He did. It was. You think that's going to happen to Newcastle?
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You did limp to promotion.

If you think a jan transfer window is the same as a summer window it just shows how clueless you are.

Di Matteo had done damage there will be players he doesnt want like McCormack who he cant shift due to ffp. Its hillarious you use Villa as an argument because Di Matteo was sacked for having them nowhere near promotion so it shows everyone but NUFC fans think for that kind of outlay in that league teams should easily be promoted.
 
Reiver said:
As far as I recall, without checking, it was only the first round of the European Cup when teams failed to fulfil their fixtures and Milan didn't have an opponent in the 2nd round.

In the Fairs Cup the team Ujpest played in the semi, Goztepe or some name like that, had a walkover in the quarter final.

Withdrawals weren't common in the European Cup, I have a feeling the withdrawals that year were political not because of domestic fixtures.
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Benfica reached the quarters after having a bye in the previous round as well.
 
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