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Benitez Future In Doubt Over Failure to Secure Key Signings

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If Sunderland get promoted next season we'll probably find ourselves in the same boat as the mags are now. Trying to ship out loads of championship players who aren't good enough for the premier league, unless Larry can find some gems of course
 

The Fish said:
Well, that's not true as I've certainly not called him "World Class" nor have I seen him referred to as World Class on here by Newcastle fans.

Benitez has won multiple honours and has built different squads. If we apply your criteria, then you believe Rafa Benitez to be a World Class manager.
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Benitez has bought squads not built them you plum.
Only the deluded mags would mags would mention Benitez and Ferguson on a par
 
Banks said:
Benitez isnt a good manager as hes useless unless hes got huge funds.

The villa argument is a poor one they gave funds to a poor manager and one who would never have got them promoted. If Bruce was their manager that preseason youd have not gone up as champions or even at all.

On paper youve had more investment than 5 premier league sides in the last 24 months so he really should already have a side to keep you up. This cry for money is because hes like a spoilt bairn.

I dont see how profit on Sissko and Wijinaldum is a plus for Rafa either when it was Pardew and McClaren who made those signings. Should we praise Grayson for getting 30m for Pickford?
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Did he have huge funds at Extremadura? Tenerife? What were the huge sums he spent at Valencia? Is he singularly unique in being a manager that spends what is available to him?

The Villa argument is not a poor one and is in response to a poor argument.
Sunderland fan says "Of course you won, anyone would have won if they'd spent as much as you"
I say "Villa spent more and failed to even make the Play Offs"
They say "Who cares about Villa, we're talking about Newcastle".

That's silly and a further example of the shifting goal posts.

The money Benitez has spent was needed to build an entirely new squad. He brought in an entire 11 and sold/loaned/released a similar number. £55m in the Championship is a large figure, £5m per player for a title winning side is not a large figure. That side was built for one purpose, immediate promotion, which was achieved. Players who were signed as back-up/cover for the Championship won't feature in the Premier League and will obviously be moved on. So to say the Championship side should keep us up is almost courageously stupid...

I keep coming back to the same point. Benitez has a trophied history, he turned got a side promoted at the first time of asking and has made improvements off the pitch at the club as well. He demonstrably a good manager. If he was at literally any other football club, you wouldn't be half as critical, but your (pretty childish) bias forces you to concoct reasons to criticise him above that which is fair.

stretch said:
Benitez has bought squads not built them you plum.
Only the deluded mags would mags would mention Benitez and Ferguson on a par
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In this age, how does a manager build squad if he doesn't sign the players for them? Promoting from the youth teams? Well he's not really had an opportunity to do that yet, has he?

Also, I wasn't comparing them, please read more carefully, as it makes you look stupid when you don't.
 
The Fish said:
Did he have huge funds at Extremadura? Tenerife? What were the huge sums he spent at Valencia? Is he singularly unique in being a manager that spends what is available to him?

The Villa argument is not a poor one and is in response to a poor argument.
Sunderland fan says "Of course you won, anyone would have won if they'd spent as much as you"
I say "Villa spent more and failed to even make the Play Offs"
They say "Who cares about Villa, we're talking about Newcastle".

That's silly and a further example of the shifting goal posts.

The money Benitez has spent was needed to build an entirely new squad. He brought in an entire 11 and sold/loaned/released a similar number. £55m in the Championship is a large figure, £5m per player for a title winning side is not a large figure. That side was built for one purpose, immediate promotion, which was achieved. Players who were signed as back-up/cover for the Championship won't feature in the Premier League and will obviously be moved on. So to say the Championship side should keep us up is almost courageously stupid...

I keep coming back to the same point. Benitez has a trophied history, he turned got a side promoted at the first time of asking and has made improvements off the pitch at the club as well. He demonstrably a good manager. If he was at literally any other football club, you wouldn't be half as critical, but your (pretty childish) bias forces you to concoct reasons to criticise him above that which is fair.
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You still writing for that shite fanzine Ian?
 
The Fish said:
Did he have huge funds at Extremadura? Tenerife? What were the huge sums he spent at Valencia? Is he singularly unique in being a manager that spends what is available to him?

The Villa argument is not a poor one and is in response to a poor argument.
Sunderland fan says "Of course you won, anyone would have won if they'd spent as much as you"
I say "Villa spent more and failed to even make the Play Offs"
They say "Who cares about Villa, we're talking about Newcastle".

That's silly and a further example of the shifting goal posts.

The money Benitez has spent was needed to build an entirely new squad. He brought in an entire 11 and sold/loaned/released a similar number. £55m in the Championship is a large figure, £5m per player for a title winning side is not a large figure. That side was built for one purpose, immediate promotion, which was achieved. Players who were signed as back-up/cover for the Championship won't feature in the Premier League and will obviously be moved on. So to say the Championship side should keep us up is almost courageously stupid...

I keep coming back to the same point. Benitez has a trophied history, he turned got a side promoted at the first time of asking and has made improvements off the pitch at the club as well. He demonstrably a good manager. If he was at literally any other football club, you wouldn't be half as critical, but your (pretty childish) bias forces you to concoct reasons to criticise him above that which is fair.



In this age, how does a manager build squad if he doesn't sign the players for them? Promoting from the youth teams? Well he's not really had an opportunity to do that yet, has he?

Also, I wasn't comparing them, please read more carefully, as it makes you look stupid when you don't.
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The Fish said:
Did he have huge funds at Extremadura? Tenerife? What were the huge sums he spent at Valencia? Is he singularly unique in being a manager that spends what is available to him?

The Villa argument is not a poor one and is in response to a poor argument.
Sunderland fan says "Of course you won, anyone would have won if they'd spent as much as you"
I say "Villa spent more and failed to even make the Play Offs"
They say "Who cares about Villa, we're talking about Newcastle".

That's silly and a further example of the shifting goal posts.

The money Benitez has spent was needed to build an entirely new squad. He brought in an entire 11 and sold/loaned/released a similar number. £55m in the Championship is a large figure, £5m per player for a title winning side is not a large figure. That side was built for one purpose, immediate promotion, which was achieved. Players who were signed as back-up/cover for the Championship won't feature in the Premier League and will obviously be moved on. So to say the Championship side should keep us up is almost courageously stupid...

I keep coming back to the same point. Benitez has a trophied history, he turned got a side promoted at the first time of asking and has made improvements off the pitch at the club as well. He demonstrably a good manager. If he was at literally any other football club, you wouldn't be half as critical, but your (pretty childish) bias forces you to concoct reasons to criticise him above that which is fair.



In this age, how does a manager build squad if he doesn't sign the players for them? Promoting from the youth teams? Well he's not really had an opportunity to do that yet, has he?

Also, I wasn't comparing them, please read more carefully, as it makes you look stupid when you don't.
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Ok, he 'built' a squad to win the championship, he hasn't moved any of them on yet, and other than a bit part player hasn't improved the team he led to relegation recently
 
stretch said:
Ok, he 'built' a squad to win the championship, he hasn't moved any off them on yet and other than a bit part player hasn't improved the team he relegated recently
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No he hasn't sold any players yet, only signed one as well. Good job the season doesn't start for a while and pre-season is only just beginning for Newcastle United today.

re: improving the side that was relegated. That's a complicated issue. The side that Steve McClaren had for 26 games shouldn't have gone down, and had a better manager had a full season with them, I don't think they would have. However, when some of the headline players from that side were 100% leaving, and the challenge ahead of the remaining team is markedly different, it's tough to say which is "better".

The former certainly had better players, but weren't a team and were McClaren's 15/16 side to meet Benitez's 16/17 side, I'd fancy the latter to grind out a result. Better motivated, better managed, better prepared.

Zig81 said:
Still shopping at jacamo you fat knacker?

What stuff is made up fatty?
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I mean, what's the point in making stuff up?
 
The Fish said:
No he hasn't sold any players yet, only signed one as well. Good job the season doesn't start for a while and pre-season is only just beginning for Newcastle United today.

re: improving the side that was relegated. That's a complicated issue. The side that Steve McClaren had for 26 games shouldn't have gone down, and had a better manager had a full season with them, I don't think they would have. However, when some of the headline players from that side were 100% leaving, and the challenge ahead of the remaining team is markedly different, it's tough to say which is "better".

The former certainly had better players, but weren't a team and were McClaren's 15/16 side to meet Benitez's 16/17 side, I'd fancy the latter to grind out a result. Better motivated, better managed, better prepared.


I mean, what's the point in making stuff up?
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What's made up Ian?
 
The Fish said:
Did he have huge funds at Extremadura? Tenerife? What were the huge sums he spent at Valencia? Is he singularly unique in being a manager that spends what is available to him?

The Villa argument is not a poor one and is in response to a poor argument.
Sunderland fan says "Of course you won, anyone would have won if they'd spent as much as you"
I say "Villa spent more and failed to even make the Play Offs"
They say "Who cares about Villa, we're talking about Newcastle".

That's silly and a further example of the shifting goal posts.

The money Benitez has spent was needed to build an entirely new squad. He brought in an entire 11 and sold/loaned/released a similar number. £55m in the Championship is a large figure, £5m per player for a title winning side is not a large figure. That side was built for one purpose, immediate promotion, which was achieved. Players who were signed as back-up/cover for the Championship won't feature in the Premier League and will obviously be moved on. So to say the Championship side should keep us up is almost courageously stupid...

I keep coming back to the same point. Benitez has a trophied history, he turned got a side promoted at the first time of asking and has made improvements off the pitch at the club as well. He demonstrably a good manager. If he was at literally any other football club, you wouldn't be half as critical, but your (pretty childish) bias forces you to concoct reasons to criticise him above that which is fair.



In this age, how does a manager build squad if he doesn't sign the players for them? Promoting from the youth teams? Well he's not really had an opportunity to do that yet, has he?

Also, I wasn't comparing them, please read more carefully, as it makes you look stupid when you don't.
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A long time ago, that's why he's at Newcastle. :)
 
Bout time they Rafalution dipped into the £120 million transfer kitty instead of scratting about for a month for a no mark Eibar defender
 
The Fish said:
And saying that I write for a fanzine.

It's weird.
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So that'll be a no then Ian?

Fancy using your time at work to spend all day on a Sunderland forum, should you not be teaching English literature or something, surely a man with your skills could win a cash reward for being so good at it.
 
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f***ing hell. Look at this dafty 'chomping' away first thing.

Making up shit again, like that time he claimed he knew someone that knew me. 'Keith' :lol:

Only apologised when I offered to leave here forever if he could give me my full name on here which I explicitly gave him permission to do (seems like an open goal to me). Absolute bullshitter.
 
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Zig81 said:
So that'll be a no then Ian?
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Oh, now I remember why I stopped bothering to reply to you.

You've this weird thing where you're dead angry all the time, you make odd accusations and are entirely incapable of a reasoned, reasonable conversation.

B'bye Zig, try to have a better day.
 
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