chuckyroll
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Stability though
Doom monger Desperate Dave
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What if, for the first time in ten years, the club actually has sensible a 3 or 5 year mid-term plan and a senior management team committed to delivering it?
Abu Dhabi Red and White
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Dear dear but hoping for a dear pay-0ff
chuckyroll
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Tell me more . Is he involved though
Monument View
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Aye you're right you cannot better rock solid bottom stability
The most stable team in the league by a long chalk
The most stable team in the league by a long chalk
I don't know whether there is one or, if so, what it is(!)
However, the club is crying out for that, ES is a sophisticated operator, MB strikes me a eminently sensible possibility and, to be honest, I can't see anything other sensible.
Chucking in further ten of millions each year and changing the manger every time the honeymoon wears off surely cannot be the plan?!
Also - they prob couldn't come out now and describe any plan because there's at least two scenarios for next season (i.e. depending on league) and if they described these it would be leapt on by some fans as 'Ellis WANTS relegation' or some other short-sighted sensationalist crap.
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Monument View
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ES doesn't seem like a sensible financial operator as far as the club is concerned burdening the club with Wonga type US high interest loans and MB looks and speaks like a undertaker/ asset stripper and appears as false as Mrs Browns boobs
DM is just a desperate misery who is a serial loser
DM is just a desperate misery who is a serial loser
Horace Cope
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The cardigan told it like it was from day one. We'd struggle. He obviously saw our wage budget and transfer kitty. There's not enough money in the club to get the digestives in for half time.
We need to remember we've relied too much on short term new manager bounce to keep us up. Sam knew the writing on the wall he was waiting for the first opportunity to hitch his wagon to
We need to remember we've relied too much on short term new manager bounce to keep us up. Sam knew the writing on the wall he was waiting for the first opportunity to hitch his wagon to
Each to their own.
ES has bankrolled our PL stay and tried multiple approaches. I think he was hindered by having a weak board over most of that period....but we've got a lot to thank him for.
Wonga type loans??? That's just incorrect. Haven't got the rate to hand but I'm sure it's around 8.5% p.a. (as opposed to 1000%+ !!!!!) which sounds actually pretty good for a significant commercial loan given the size of the business, its existing massive financial problems and high likelihood of deterioration.
MB's made some good, honest points. It's not good to hear but he's not a nursery nurse.
DM's got a similar approach to journalists as Andy Murray but if you judge people on how they are in that limited, restricted and completely false situation you'd be pretty dumb. He's had a tough few years but has a track record of developing clubs in the top two tiers that made him one of the most respected managers in the game.
WHD
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Which is?
Lord Alfred
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Just as well the likes of Swansea, Bournemouth and Southampton didn't think that way when languishing in Leagues 1 and 2...or Leicester when they sat 5 points and 3 places below us in January 2015.
Why do people continue to find excuses for ineptitude.
WHD
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The club always has that when it hands the manager a long contract, but at some point it realises it was a mistake.
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Dilligaf60
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The thought of that hope assassin managing ( I use the term in it's loosest context) us next season leaves me stone cold.
jcrossan
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Every league needs a strong stable foundation.
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Dilligaf60
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If me aunty had knackers shed be me uncle.
ontap
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4th bottom would have done nicely thank you
WHD
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So keeping the manager this season is?
Why do people equate not firing Moyes as a need for "stability". What we've needed for a long time is a reprieve from a constant churn of players and managers. We needed a capable manager and a strong core of players. We had that in the last half of last season. Then BSA walked. Then injuries hit. Take a look here http://www.espnfc.us/club/sunderland/366/squad and see how many of our core players have started more than 20 of our 32 games. That's nowhere near stability, but it's what Moyes' had to deal with. Look at the team we put out in the last game against Boro and you'd be depressed about our prospects as well. The point is that Moyes has his flaws but our current situation isn't entirely his fault. I don't know if he is the right manager long-term as I haven't seen what he can do with a full complement of first-teamers (other than our spurt in December). And I suspect that is the position of Short and Bain.
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