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Staff Redundancies at SAFC

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Like all on here I'm absolutely appalled at what is happening but the good of the club is all important and if this had been done a few years ago maybe these events could have been less dramatic. What gets me most is how everything that looks great on paper turns to shit for us. A self made billionaire takes a over a poorly run multi pound business and manages to make it worse, managers who the majority of the crowd want and fail to a man to improve the long term prospects of the club, a much vaunted academy that does little more than what the club has done for the last 50 years in producing players just about good enough for the northern league, that said academy run by a man who thought it was ok to employ his son who was the worst player I've seen at any level for the club and nobody seemed to question this. I personally think Bain is probably the best appointment made by the club in a long time but like all things Sunderland has come to late and I feel we will be in administration within 12 months of being relegated - how the fuck anyone thinks this is going to help is beyond me. Despair? - not yet while we are so close to forth off bottom but feel after the next two games we could be fucked.
 

Laidback Jack said:
Basic business really. When you start losing money one of the first things you do is look at the wage bill to cut the expenditure.
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Yep. Sad in a way but true. Overheads should always be kept in trim. Just a fact of business.

In the company I work for I know fine well that a large group of people would be out on their arse if a a CFO truly got to grips with what they actually offer. He may well even class my role as part of that as well I may add.

The club has been losing money hand over foot for years. Large majority of it will be down to the player wages and trading being pass poor but that doesn't mean the other 10-15% or so can be left unchecked.¡
 
buster said:
The alternative is do a complete review of the business , highlight inefficiency or over staffing in certain departments , plan for our almost certain relegation and reduced income streams , then do fuck all ?

He's been brought in to do a job , looks like he's got a damn quick grasp on the business and made some relatively unpleasant decisions , that's what he's paid for , maybe Byrne should have done the same years ago ? , that's what she failed at and paid the price with the loss of her job .

You can divert attention by blaming the players , the New York trip or anything that takes your fancy , it doesn't change the facts that the club is overstaffed and inefficient with it .

I've said before , some at SAFC have had it far too good for far too long , welcome to the real world.
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The fuckers who have had it far too good for far too long will notice fuck all, their gravy train is still running
 
Rober33 said:
Don't we have this same thread about this time of year every season?

I'm sure it's so they've had the statuary notice in case we get relegated, as you say.
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Beyond the gloss of a miracle escape every year for four or five years the club have had to serve a statuary notice on it's lower paid employees?

Sums the whole club up really.

Wonder what it says on Cattermole, Larson and Rodwells statuary notice...
 
Church said:
its not something you should find funny, even if you are laughing because you disagree.

we assume all these people had jobs that were required, and in many cases left another job to join SAFC.

and their wages will be peanuts compared to the player outlay.
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I'm just laughing at people hoying all these assumptions about.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
I think you are correct. The last time they had a team build at Nissan it did the trick. Moyes is trying everything he can think of. The redundancies, I would guess, are part of a much longer term plan from Bain. Its a disgrace that we have made such losses and something has to be done to change that and restructuring the costs is part of it. To my mind the people at fault here are Short and the stupid appointments he made in Byrne and Hutchinson.
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Bang on I reckon.
 
Laidback Jack said:
Basic business really. When you start losing money one of the first things you do is look at the wage bill to cut the expenditure.
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Whilst its true cutting the wage bill is the easiest way to cut expenditure, if the club was run correctly jobs wouldn't need to go regardless of which Division the club plays in.
I work for a company that never has compulsory redundancies -we offer voluntary redundancies, but then look at unnecessary expenditure every year to make sure costs are kept within budgets year on year - like travel, have a phone call instead of a face to face meeting, spend a few days in Seaham Hall rather than New York.

I would hope that the staffing levels are already set efficiently, but I expect there are a few 'jobs for the boys' and some people sitting around doing nothing. That's not their fault, that’s the fault of the executives and senior management.

Sad all the same losing your job.
 
We need the club to be streamlined and to start focusing on what it should be focusing on.... Football!!!!

It's shit for the people involved, but from the outset it's looks a necessary evil.... :(
 
dcl0sc said:
We need the club to be streamlined and to start focusing on what it should be focusing on.... Football!!!!

It's shit for the people involved, but from the outset it's looks a necessary evil.... :(
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This is precisely what Bain has been saying for a while now.

He's pushed one "Director" out of the door who seemingly (if rumours on here are to be believed) was a salary well into the six figures. Now that is a lot of money by the time you throw all the other staff costs into the mix for just him!! If we're pretty much shelving the Gigs and the 1879 (baby of that director) stuff, then there's probably a few of the staff on redundancy notice who's jobs are in relation to this and sadly for them, they aren't roles that are going to be needed.

Nobody likes the disparity in the wages of footballers to normal every day workers, but its just a fact of life now. I dare say that if the club came out in the next transfer window and stated that the cost savings from these redundancies allowed us to fund the wages of an extra player then people may not be as outraged bizarrely as during the transfer windows everyone gets carried away and desperate for new signings!!!
 
WASTID said:
This is precisely what Bain has been saying for a while now.

He's pushed one "Director" out of the door who seemingly (if rumours on here are to be believed) was a salary well into the six figures. Now that is a lot of money by the time you throw all the other staff costs into the mix for just him!! If we're pretty much shelving the Gigs and the 1879 (baby of that director) stuff, then there's probably a few of the staff on redundancy notice who's jobs are in relation to this and sadly for them, they aren't roles that are going to be needed.

Nobody likes the disparity in the wages of footballers to normal every day workers, but its just a fact of life now. I dare say that if the club came out in the next transfer window and stated that the cost savings from these redundancies allowed us to fund the wages of an extra player then people may not be as outraged bizarrely as during the transfer windows everyone gets carried away and desperate for new signings!!!
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Agreed
 
dcl0sc said:
We need the club to be streamlined and to start focusing on what it should be focusing on.... Football!!!!

It's shit for the people involved, but from the outset it's looks a necessary evil.... :(
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Sales marketing and ticket office functions are football business.
 
Sd40-2R said:
Sales marketing and ticket office functions are football business.
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Maybe so, but going by what has been suggested maybe these areas have been complicated far too much. To be fair, they haven't really been very effective have they?
 
Brady came in and did similar at our place, not nice for the people involved but this wouldn't be happening if it wasn't in the best interests of the club I'm sure
 
Redundancies are a fact of life.

They also ruin lives.

Joleon Lescott will likely earn in his stint here what most of these 40 people earn in a year.

Moyes and Bain are completely teflon coated.

No other fan base in the country would applaud their club sat at the bottom of the league watching their team preparing for relegation and ripping the piss with twee marketing campaigns claiming we're all in this together whilst making 40 people unemployed in one of the poorest cities in the country and having a knees up in New York.

It beggars belief what our fans will tolerate.

By this same stage last season Villa fans had literally taken to the streets and forced most of the club hierarchy into hiding.

Our lot are applauding the grim reaper who even when he tells us everything is fucked still has everyone lapping it up.
 
dcl0sc said:
Maybe so, but going by what has been suggested maybe these areas have been complicated far too much. To be fair, they haven't really been very effective have they?
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So clearly he feels those areas are over staffed. Business is a harsh world. Been through this sort of situation and not good but just life.
 
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