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Staff Redundancies at SAFC

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We are bottom of the league and its not looking too bright.
In order to manage the business serious planning has to be done. Its no good banging on about years of mismanagement and Ellis Short. Its the future that needs to be looked at.
By giving 90 days notice of possible redundancy the club is doing the right thing.
If we survive nothing has to happen, the notice is only about entering into a 90 days consultation period. If we stay up then its a non starter and there wont need to be big job losses.
If we go down then everyone agrees cutbacks will be needed, and staff levels will need to be reduced.
If the club waited until any relegation is confirmed to issue the notices then the 90 days does not start until that date. This would mean 3 months of extra wages to be paid into the close season - possibly into the start of next season.

I think the club are trying to reduce damage as far as possible if we are relegated.
All this about players wages and trips to NY dont change any of the facts - its unpleasant and worrying for those involved of course it is, but this could be a sign of better management of the pitch, and the start of getting things sorted.

Sd40-2R said:
Right oh. Drunken players on a jolly in New York and 90 people gone home tonight worried about their future.

Just can't see the issue?
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But if it works and contributes towards staying up then maybe the 90 will have more secure jobs?
They would be slammed if they did nothing, and just kept doing the same things then went down.
The two things are kind of the same project - Get the team spirit up to try and win enough games so that the 90 people who have been an indication their jobs are at risk might be OK after all.
 
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I reckon that the cost of the trip to NYC will have been about 100K - transport, accommodation ,meals etc etc. That's four decent 25k jobs for a year.I know that there is an argument that says 'well if they 'bond' and keep us up, that's 50 million TV money' but it still leaves a bad taste as the timing is awful.
 
The club seems to be falling apart. I think the cost cutting has come far too late, for what it's worth. We are simply just reaching the end of a long, dark, inexorable decline, I'm afraid.

Genuinely sorry for the folks who are going to lose their jobs, however.
 
rinigrajo said:
We are bottom of the league and its not looking too bright.
In order to manage the business serious planning has to be done. Its no good banging on about years of mismanagement and Ellis Short. I
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But that is exactly why we are in the state we are, because of that useless fuckin inept tosspot !!
 
radjee gadjee said:
But that is exactly why we are in the state we are, because of that useless fuckin inept tosspot !!
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I dont know enough about business to say either way.
So should they just carry on regardless making the same mistakes over and over again while blaming Short?
I dont see how that figures. If he kept doing the same things the same will happen and he will be blamed. If he brings someone in to change things he is blamed for making it happen and it all his fault.
I am guessing the answer would be "he should sell the club". He may agree with that, but a club potentially in the Championship with a huge wage bill that is still operating with Premier League costs is not really a good prospect for anybody to buy.
 
rinigrajo said:
We are bottom of the league and its not looking too bright.
In order to manage the business serious planning has to be done. Its no good banging on about years of mismanagement and Ellis Short. Its the future that needs to be looked at.
By giving 90 days notice of possible redundancy the club is doing the right thing.
If we survive nothing has to happen, the notice is only about entering into a 90 days consultation period. If we stay up then its a non starter and there wont need to be big job losses.
If we go down then everyone agrees cutbacks will be needed, and staff levels will need to be reduced.
If the club waited until any relegation is confirmed to issue the notices then the 90 days does not start until that date. This would mean 3 months of extra wages to be paid into the close season - possibly into the start of next season.

I think the club are trying to reduce damage as far as possible if we are relegated.
All this about players wages and trips to NY dont change any of the facts - its unpleasant and worrying for those involved of course it is, but this could be a sign of better management of the pitch, and the start of getting things sorted.


But if it works and contributes towards staying up then maybe the 90 will have more secure jobs?
They would be slammed if they did nothing, and just kept doing the same things then went down.
The two things are kind of the same project - Get the team spirit up to try and win enough games so that the 90 people who have been an indication their jobs are at risk might be OK after all.
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Ah yes, the glories of the old 3 month 'flexible' redundancy option - Yeh we give them 3 months notice and then we boot them out if we need to or keep them if the wind alters direction and we change our minds.

Classic 'business speak and of course used every day across the globe.

Completely ignores the human cost. People are commodities.

Still fuckin shit if you're sitting tonight faced with losing your job
 
buster said:
The alternative is do a complete review of the business , highlight inefficiency or over staffing in certain departments , plan for our almost certain relegation and reduced income streams , then do fuck all ?

He's been brought in to do a job , looks like he's got a damn quick grasp on the business and made some relatively unpleasant decisions , that's what he's paid for , maybe Byrne should have done the same years ago ? , that's what she failed at and paid the price with the loss of her job .

You can divert attention by blaming the players , the New York trip or anything that takes your fancy , it doesn't change the facts that the club is overstaffed and inefficient with it .

I've said before , some at SAFC have had it far too good for far too long , welcome to the real world.
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Byrne only paid the price because of the Adam Johnson fiasco, she'd still be here now if it wasn't for that. The biggest mistake Short has made was not appointing a competent CEO, its going to take years for us to recover from the mess that Byrne had left.
 
Sd40-2R said:
Ah yes, the glories of the old 3 month 'flexible' redundancy option - Yeh we give them 3 months notice and then we boot them out if we need to or keep them if the wind alters direction and we change our minds.

Classic 'business speak and of course used every day across the globe.

Completely ignores the human cost. People are commodities.

Still fuckin shit if you're sitting tonight faced with losing your job
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All true. I have been through it three times. Its shit and its not always fair, but what you say is ultimately true - people are commodities.
 
Obscene is the perfect word for it. Football generally is totally embarrassing financially but to add our abject performances on the field over the last few years makes me cringe.
 
What would be better?
Make no preparation for a relegation that looks very likely. Keep paying wages to people who work in areas they are not needed next season due to the decreased turnover and interest in the Championship?
 
Job cuts were inevitable with a new guy at the helm, especially with the messages he was giving out when he first came about needing to run a tighter ship.

But to do it today, after the players have just come back from an ill-timed jolly to New York and the day after an open training session which generated so much positivity and seemed to have repaired a lot of the negativity caused by it is beyond belief.

Just need the season ticket renewal packs to drop through our door on friday now.
 
rinigrajo said:
What would be better?
Make no preparation for a relegation that looks very likely. Keep paying wages to people who work in areas they are not needed next season due to the decreased turnover and interest in the Championship?
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As with most things in life, it's more to do with how it looks than what it is.

The timing is vile and now every decision the club make, everything Moyes says, every sound bite a player is fed to come out with, every mistake one of them makes on the pitch can and will be counted in human and employment terms.

- "Yeh we had a very positive time in New York"
- "The cost of the hotel David - could that have been better used to offset a redundancy David?"

- Adnan Januzaj goes down under a nothing challenge yet again
- "you lazy fucker - you're costing people their livelihoods".

Extra pressure and adds to the bad feeling.
 
Sima said:
Did they both have a full season of management? I can't remember.
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Rafa the gaffa certainly had enough time and favourable fixtures to keep you up. Win one against us, villa and Norwich and you'd have survived....

Do you think Bain is in any way culpable for the decisions he's having to make?
 
Ashley In!! said:
Rafa the gaffa certainly had enough time and favourable fixtures to keep you up. Win one against us, villa and Norwich and you'd have survived....

Do you think Bain is in any way culpable for the decisions he's having to make?
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So Bain has to work with the tools he has given same as Benitez was (Bain has had more time) but Bain isn't culpable and Benitez was 100%?
 
Sima said:
So Bain has to work with the tools he has given same as Benitez was (Bain has had more time) but Bain isn't culpable and Benitez was 100%?
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No, Benitez had more than enough opportunity to get you out of it, beat one of us, villa and Norwich and you'd have stayed up. Do you think that's too big an ask in the run in for a wuuuuurld class manager? A simple yes or no will do.

Bain has had no opportunity to address the debts and other financial problems he's inherited, none whatsoever.
 
Ashley In!! said:
No, Benitez had more than enough opportunity to get you out of it, beat one of us, villa and Norwich and you'd have stayed up. Do you think that's too big an ask in the run in for a wuuuuurld class manager? A simple yes or no will do.

Bain has had no opportunity to address the debts and other financial problems he's inherited, none whatsoever.
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Been there since the summer hasn't he? He's had two transfer windows to generate significant amounts of cash to help your finances.

Benitez had no opportunity to shape the squad to his design.

Less time and less opportunity to remedy a problem = more culpability. Apparently.
 
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