From what I've read I'll be more worried about getting hit with a flying egg than someone having a word
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19/11/16 - 5pm - Protest at the Murray Gates
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From what I've read I'll be more worried about getting hit with a flying egg than someone having a word
JonnotheMackem
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That's a stupid argument, sorry like but it is.
It's like saying "If strawberries were made of solid gold, would they still cost the same to buy?"
From what I've read I'll be more worried about getting hit with a flying egg than someone having a word
Haway man
Things aren't that bad
Just sing this instead of all the cringeworthy banner shit
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John J Rambo
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Not like Roy Keane to fly off the handle for nothing mind ya
Haway man
Things aren't that bad
Just sing this instead of all the cringeworthy banner shit
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Having been through both our record low point seasons I actually find this more frustrating. There's a sense, for me at least, that having been where we were 5 years ago the decay in the club is unbelievable. I also can't hack how slowly predictable this has all been.
So on one level I've seen us with worse teams, but this year has wound me up more.
1more
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No it's not, why were there not talk of a protest at the start of the season and why was there no talk of a protest at the end of last season.
The reason why this have surfaced is because we are bottom of the league with 2 points.
Gazoliver
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Moyes is the problem man! Ffs!! Look at end of last season...we had mid table form and there was a real buzz round the club. Then Moyes comes in an we're under a negative cloud again. We brought in TEN players...majority of which aren't good enough. That's not Shorts fault.
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You think some lads shouting at some gates, is going to get Short to negate a couple of million quid?
JonnotheMackem
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We weren't mid-table then, so your point still has nowt to do with the price of fish.
It's because things have been the same for about 5 years, scraping and scrapping at the bottom of the table. We've got a manager all of us wanted (after big Sam, who left after hinting that Short was difficult to work with) and we are still shit and all the optimism has gone.
People are getting fed up.
But we had to bring in quantity. We had loads of players out of contract, and loan players returning. If we'd signed only 2 or 3 players we wouldn't be able to put forward a full squad given our injuries. Moyes was also, almost certainly, controlled by the wages he could offer. He was also probably only able to sign players on deals structured in a certain way. It was reported Sam was on the verge of walking because he was so pissed with what he was offered - the man who saved us last season - he obviously knew it was a nigh on impossible job. I still think Mohes has made a hash of it though.
1more
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We shifted Loads of dead wood in the summer and had a 11, including Yedlin and M'Villa, who looked as good as anything outside the top sides. Then Moyes came in with his ego talking about a building job, Everton this and that, how will are in a relegation battle, how the players we are after are nowhere near the quality he's signed in the premier league and added another 10 players who aren't fit for purpose.
Moyes has got this job wrong from the start and he must take responsibility for that.
As much as booing the players make the team play better, and shouting at a manager makes it more likely he'll change his style / be sacked. Yes.You think some lads shouting at some gates, is going to get Short to negate a couple of million quid?
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What makes you think Big Sam wouldn't be in the same or at least in a similar position this season?
He was becoming more disgruntled with each interview about how hard it was to sign the players he wanted.
He would have been working under the same financial constraints that Moyes was. He may/may not have have bought better.
Moyes has been shit, lets not get away from that fact but to suggest that Moyes is the sole problem is ludicrous
1more
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Moyes, is to blame. What have he brought to this club which isn't negative.
That pretty much as guess work. We didn't need quantity we need quality and Sam said that.
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JonnotheMackem
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Last year Advocaat was to blame
The year before Poyet was to blame
Before him Di Canio was to blame
Before him.......
£30 million is fuck all transfer money as well.
Moyes isn't above criticism by any means, but he isn't entirely to blame. We need to look at what has been the constant the last 5 years, and it ain't the managers.
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I understand the need for change and the want of some supporters to protest the same. I can also understand when supporter pressure might lead to a change in playing style and/or a manager sacked. These are things the owner can do to ensure premier league survival, or at least try something different to try and ensure survival.
However, I don't believe that this will have any major effect. It's one thing changing a manager, its something else in trying to get an owner to reduce his valuation of the club to get a quick sale. He set the price for a reason. He wants his money back
Spot on
1more
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What has been constant is our poor transfer dealings and the only people to blame fort that are the managers or DOF and the time. Moyes is the current manager and he has bought shite. The only manager with a standout window is Sam, does Short take any credit and criticism for that window? No because he released the money in good faith to be spent by an expect in that field.
JonnotheMackem
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Ah - this is why Short wanted a DoF. The trouble was, instead of appointing someone who knew what he was doing, he appointed a total cowboy.
Someone with his business sense should have known better.
WHD
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There's no denying Short has made some poor appointments, but once they were appointed, they were responsible for their own poor performance. There's no point saying these poor appointments only performed poorly because of Short.
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