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19/11/16 - 5pm - Protest at the Murray Gates

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Please don't do this and make us look like idiots. Short wants to go and is actively looking for someone to buy the club. Protesting like this is a waste of time.
 
haway said:
I think by this point he probably feels we're a burden more than anything. If he could get the figure he wants but the sale was to a suspect owner I would be absolutely amazed if he said no. I doubt even the most ardent Ellis supporters on here think he would either.
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I don't think he would. I'm not his biggest fan but I think he still has affection for the club.
 
TradingPlaces said:
Well done, in his whole 8 year in charge you've come up with 3 decisions and one of them is debatable. Cap doffed....
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Can you give us specific examples of what you hold him accountable for?

I reckon his employment of Maggie is debatable. Can't be blamed for managers cos they were all well received at the time. Even Bruce.

jsdftm04 said:
It would force some sort of communication from him to the fans for once mind
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We absolutely hammered the mags all those times Ashley, Lambeezy and Rafa penned letters etc IIRC.

Deep down half our fans are absolutely desperate to be mags IMHO
 
Sister Ray said:
Can you give us specific examples of what you hold him accountable for?

I reckon his employment of Maggie is debatable. Can't be blamed for managers cos they were all well received at the time. Even Bruce.
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The fact the average fan liked an appointment says nowt. PDC for one. A large number of fans could tell it was a disaster. So did commentators. Byrne is a good one. So is Alvarez. So is De Fanti. So is behaving in such a way that all of our last 5 managers have said they weren't backed properly.
 
haway said:
Why does protesting make you look like an idiot? I didn't think Villa fans looked like idiots last year, did you?
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Protesting for a bloke to leave, who already wants to leave and wants to sell the club? where should he go or what's he meant to do like?
 
Sister Ray said:
Can you give us specific examples of what you hold him accountable for?

I reckon his employment of Maggie is debatable. Can't be blamed for managers cos they were all well received at the time. Even Bruce.



We absolutely hammered the mags all those times Ashley, Lambeezy and Rafa penned letters etc IIRC.

Deep down half our fans are absolutely desperate to be mags IMHO
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Byrne, Di Canio, De Fanti and Congerton just for starters. All horrific decisions.
 
WHD said:
:lol: I'm no fan of Short, but the critics have moved on from "he doesn't back the managers" to "he's ran the club into the ground", all the while not realising the latter is a result of him doing the opposite of the former.
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@molthemackem and @Sister Ray like your post.

Its pretty established that Mol is linked to the club.

And Raymond's flailing around at the moment suggests he also has some vested interest in there being no unrest at SAFC

Curious
 
haway said:
Time to tell Short that he needs to go. I think all of us are sad that it has come to this but it's becoming increasingly clear that he's mismanaged the club to the point where relegation isn't our biggest worry - financial solvency is.

We've been through it all before but he's repeatedly left managers feeling their hands are tied and has made awful decisions that leave us in a perilous position.

Protesting may not help - but it's about time he hears the frustration of the support. It could well result in him acting - he wants rid of the club and is holding out for a higher price. Action might result in him dropping that price enough to get the sale through so we can rebuild for next year.

Let's keep it outside the stadium - the last things the players need is a hostile atmosphere when they're presumably low on confidence as it is, but I for one do not want to sit on my hands until the end of the season, knowing all that we do now about the mismanagement of the club, having done nothing.

The fans are the one real thing that matter to me about this club, and I'm sick of us being misled and manipulated by an owner who clearly has no interest anymore in our success.
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so if it ES fault, why did BSA do so well then.

Mistakes have been made of that there is no doubt. Do you not think ES knows how frustrated the fans are
 
haway said:
The fact the average fan liked an appointment says nowt. PDC for one. A large number of fans could tell it was a disaster. So did commentators. Byrne is a good one. So is Alvarez. So is De Fanti. So is behaving in such a way that all of our last 5 managers have said they weren't backed properly.
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The managers thing doesn't wash with me. There were no mass objections at the time. Even PDC was well received by fans after keeping us up.

Di Fanti, yes I concede that but he was doing what we need to do - trimming down cost by wheeling and dealing - he just made an arse of it

And not backing managers properly is utter horse shit I'm afraid. There are clubs with far more money than us spending far less than us

TradingPlaces said:
Byrne, Di Canio, De Fanti and Congerton just for starters. All horrific decisions.
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Nope
 
soapster said:
so if it ES fault, why did BSA do so well then.

Mistakes have been made of that there is no doubt. Do you not think ES knows how frustrated the fans are
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Because IMO Sam is a very very good manager. I also think he managed to make some very good signings in January.

However, even he was clearly completed frustrated with Short and if recent media reports are to be believed he would have walked even if he didn't get the England job.
 
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