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Rafael Benítez

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Morny said:
Sorry lads, lets revert to the party line.

HAHAHAHAH MAGS ARE STUPID AND DELUSIONAL THEY ALL THINK THEY WILL WIN THE WORLD CUP I SPOKE TO ONE IN WORK WHO SAID THAT THEY ARE THE BEST TEAM EVER

BENITEZ IS RUBBISH HE COULDNT EVEN KEEP THEM UP HE HAD AGES AND HE IS NEVER AS GOOD AS SAM ALLARDYCE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF GETTING DANNY WILSON

IM NOT BIASED OR OBSESSED
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BENEATHUS, silly boy. :rolleyes:
 
Morny said:
For the record, i'm not certain he'll do well in the Championship, it is a lot different to what he will be used to. But it isn't a joke appointment like some are saying - hes a top European manager and recognised as such.
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Who has said it's a joke appointment? Coup to get him in the first place, bigger coup to keep him after relegation. Ashley has played a blinder here, I bet their fans aren't grateful in the slightest though. I just hope it all goes wrong, it might very well. It seems many of them now think they're guaranteed European football within 2 years.
 
Reiver said:
He didn't though ........... it was a little bit and not enough.

They were shite at Southampton and could've conceded 5 or 6 if the Saints had tried, they were all over the place in the first half at Liverpool and only a gift got them back into the game ........ then there was Villa where they managed 3 shots on target against a team that had conceded 3 goals a game in their previous 5.
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And then there was Pardew publicly stating that he didn't want them to go down just before a rather bizarre match.
 
AlpineExile said:
You do remember that he had your goal difference moving in the wrong direction [compared to Sam] don't you ... ;)
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I'm comparing Benitez to McClaren, not to Allardyce, but if you like;
Manager G GF GA GD
McClaren 28 28 53 -25
Benitez 10 16 12 4
Allardyce 31 40 44 -4


AndrewP said:
It's true though, tactics against Villa were all wrong.
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You're choosing 1 poor game in isolation as if that 1 game is a better reflection of his impact/ability than the other 9 combined. This isn't conducive to worthwhile discussion. It would akin to me saying West Brom proved Allardyce is a poor manager as they were there for the taking.

Jardin said:
Too different a scenario for me as a comparison. He entered Chelsea knowing he would be unpopular but knowing that he knew the league and players in it well enough. Entirely different to feeling so loved by the mob that you are prepared to manage in a division where you have no experience. If the love of the mob were to waver I think it will be a lot more daunting than his tenure at Chelsea myself. However, as I say, I don't expect he will have any of early issues/bad results to cause such issues.
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That's reasonable, but it could also be argued that one would require nerves of steel to take up that challenge in the first place (Chelsea). Either way I don't see Benitez as the kind of man who'll struggle with the pressure, I'd also suggest that the Newcastle crowd will give him longer than they would a toadying yes-man like Pardew. Similar to how you'll give Allardyce longer than you would Di Canio if the season doesn't start well.
 
Jardin said:
This was the head to head of identical games between McClaren and Benitez - there wasn't much difference in results despite the "better attitude" the players demonstrated:

..........................Benitez.......McClaren
Spurs.................Win...........Win
Villa...................Draw.........Draw
Palace................Win...........Loss
Liverpool...........Draw.........Win
Man City...........Draw..........Loss
Swansea............Win............Loss
Southampton....Loss...........Draw
Norwich............Loss...........Win
Sunderland.......Draw..........Loss
Leicester...........Loss............Loss
Total points 13 points 11 points
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So they did improve then? Extrapolated over a whole season, you're talking about 8 points better. So about a 22-23% improvement? That's without considering the fact that you'd expect them to get better the more time he spent with them (as they did, or as we did under Allardyce?).
 
Morny said:
Sorry lads, lets revert to the party line.

HAHAHAHAH MAGS ARE STUPID AND DELUSIONAL THEY ALL THINK THEY WILL WIN THE WORLD CUP I SPOKE TO ONE IN WORK WHO SAID THAT THEY ARE THE BEST TEAM EVER

BENITEZ IS RUBBISH HE COULDNT EVEN KEEP THEM UP HE HAD AGES AND HE IS NEVER AS GOOD AS SAM ALLARDYCE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF GETTING DANNY WILSON

IM NOT BIASED OR OBSESSED
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:eek: wtf .... rattled
 
The Fish said:
You're choosing 1 poor game in isolation as if that 1 game is a better reflection of his impact/ability than the other 9 combined. This isn't conducive to worthwhile discussion. It would akin to me saying West Brom proved Allardyce is a poor manager as they were there for the taking.
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How many points from safety were you when Rafa took over? Did you have games in hand at the time?

How many points from safety did you finish in the end?
 
Morny said:
So they did improve then? Extrapolated over a whole season, you're talking about 8 points better. So about a 22-23% improvement? That's without considering the fact that you'd expect them to get better the more time he spent with them (as they did, or as we did under Allardyce?).
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Preach
 
Reiver said:
Well I'm not sure where your facts come from but it's not what I find in real life tbh.

There are thousands of idiotic Mags as they keep proving without any help from the media.
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It's amazing that I don't know anyone who thinks we're anything other than shite, but every Sunderland fan thinks that we think we're Champions League material (not everyone, obviously). Strange, eh?
 
Morny said:
So they did improve then? Extrapolated over a whole season, you're talking about 8 points better. So about a 22-23% improvement? That's without considering the fact that you'd expect them to get better the more time he spent with them (as they did, or as we did under Allardyce?).
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They didn't improve in relation to the teams in 4th bottom, despite still having them to play at home.
 
AndrewP said:
How many points from safety were you when Rafa took over? Did you have games in hand at the time?

How many points from safety did you finish in the end?
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I wasn't aware a club's performance in the league was in total isolation from other clubs?
 
The Fish said:
I wasn't aware a club's performance in the league was in total isolation from other clubs?
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It isn't, but the only thing relevant to staying up is finishing outside of the bottom three.

Had Newcastle beaten Sunderland at home or Norwich away they'd have stayed up, they bottled the games that mattered. Enjoy The Championship.
 
AndrewP said:
They didn't improve in relation to the teams in 4th bottom, despite still having them to play at home.
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No, they didn't. But they did improve, noticeably, and in particularly after his first 3 or 4 games (which indicates it wasn't actually a new manager bounce). He improved them more than Di Canio did with us, or Advocaat. Both of them had the good fortune that other teams were shite enough to keep us afloat.

I don't get how people can't accept he did improve them. Of course he f***ing did, you'd have to be barmy to think otherwise. He didn't improve them as much as they needed, but he absolutely cannot be blamed for their relegation, that's ridiculous.
 
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