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Rafa Out Bingo

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To be fair to Benitez their players lacked the fight for the job. Down to McClaren that, if hed got the job earlier it still would be doubtful if he could have kept them up? That Villa game showed how much they gave a shit. If he stays most of them will be gone anyway if not i dont see them coming back up.
 

chuckyroll said:
Media and the like on a constant wankathon about what he's done since he came in . As already stated those 3 games v the dross around them yielded 2 points . Don't get the improvement thing the 2 games they won were fortunate too even tho Swansea plated in plimsolls
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How dare you refer to us as dross :-O :lol:
 
feynman said:
I just think it means 3 points.

Are you a mag?
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No, it does mean wins and not points. The difference can be attributed to how the league used to be evenly distributed but since CL and PL and related bollox, has shown a radical demarcation between winning and losing.

No, Spurs.
 
Reiver said:
...... is crystallising.

Bit by bit, thanks to the likes of Thewliss and the rest of the media, the myth is being carved in stone that 'if only Rafa had come in a month earlier' they would've avoided relegation and would now be starting the march to glory ...... well it's bollocks.

Under McClaren the cry was always 'loads of quality, just need a little organisation', I saw it posted on here dozens of times.

When Benitez was appointed he repeated that 'fact' and pointed out why they would stay up. "We need to give the players confidence. I know we have ability,” he says, "I’m here because I believe we’re good enough to stay in the Premier League.”

He was given huge wages and an open hand to do whatever it took to save the club from relegation.
He said he could do the job, with that squad, in the time he had.
Tufty was derided for insisting they were improving ......... Newcastle were rubbish against Villa but it isn't the fault of the latest Messiah, no sir.

In reality, whatever the claims that he's 'tightened up the defence' or 'instilled a new ethic' they're still shite.

The facts, rather than the fiction, are that since he arrived Newcastle have failed against Sunderland, Norwich & Villa. The new improved defence conceded 8 goals in the 3 away games before Villa and they only managed 3 on target shots at Villa Park ........ Villa had conceded an average of 3 goals in the 5 previous games.

In a game Newcastle simply had to win, Benitez got the tactics, selection and substitutions wrong.

So now Ashley has to take the blame, as usual, because King Rafa was 'brought in too late'.

I truly hope he stays, as everyone seems to be praying for, and makes a complete fuck up as he's done so far.
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Great post, Reiver. Not like you at all:lol:
 
Wierd Valley Mackem said:
To be fair to Benitez their players lacked the fight for the job. Down to McClaren that, if hed got the job earlier it still would be doubtful if he could have kept them up? That Villa game showed how much they gave a shit. If he stays most of them will be gone anyway if not i dont see them coming back up.
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Will be interesting to see if they can shift their players. Ashley doesnt believe in selling anything at a loss, the concept is alien to him. Last time they went down there wasnt thatuch movement. This time there will have to be. Who will sign them, they all have long contracts and decent wages. Will cost a lot of money to shift them. I think he will force many of them to stay, even against their wishes. That may or may not work.
 
knitting away said:
Will be interesting to see if they can shift their players. Ashley doesnt believe in selling anything at a loss, the concept is alien to him. Last time they went down there wasnt thatuch movement. This time there will have to be. Who will sign them, they all have long contracts and decent wages. Will cost a lot of money to shift them. I think he will force many of them to stay, even against their wishes. That may or may not work.
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They will struggle with that team its a fight the championship i dont see many battlers in that team? Though theyll have a lot of spending power compared to most in that division.
 
Wierd Valley Mackem said:
They will struggle with that team its a fight the championship i dont see many battlers in that team? Though theyll have a lot of spending power compared to most in that division.
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They will have the power but if they cant make changes as players dig their heals in there will need to be some tough negotiating. As an outider looking in it will be fascinating watching player power vs Ashley.
 
Di Canio 7 games 8 points = safe + derby win!
Gus last 10 games 13 points= safe! (obviously was there a lot longer but using as a comparison)
Big Dick 9 games 12 points= safe + Derby win!
Rafa 9 games 8 points = relegated + Derby draw!!
Step forward the new messiah!!!
 
jrio said:
That's one game.

I'm confident that had Rafa been announced as Sunderland manager last summer this board would have lit up, and rightly. You'd have been looking at top ten minimum, with the right investment top 6.
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i think you're wrong. see, that's the difference between the delusion of the majority of your lot and the realism of most of us. also, unlike you we only appoint managers and not messiah's.
 
marco90 said:
Di Canio 7 games 8 points = safe + derby win!
Gus last 10 games 13 points= safe! (obviously was there a lot longer but using as a comparison)
Big Dick 9 games 12 points= safe + Derby win!
Rafa 9 games 8 points = relegated + Derby draw!!
Step forward the new messiah!!!
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But what happened next season for those Sunderland managers?

Rafa largely towers above all of them. By a great margin. They're thinking long term. I don't think he'll stay but if he did, and had control over all footballing matters, that's top 6 and further.
 
jrio said:
But what happened next season for those Sunderland managers?

Rafa largely towers above all of them. By a great margin. They're thinking long term. I don't think he'll stay but if he did, and had control over all footballing matters, that's top 6 and further.
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Top 6 and further......in the championship aye :D:D:D

Not denying he a good manager! Just think he probably should've better than he has! The team he inherited was better than both Di Canio's & Dicks and still failed!!
He is also completely unproven at Championship level but hey let start a petition begging him to stay:rolleyes: with a front page open letter!!
 
feynman said:
I just think it means 3 points.

Are you a mag?
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Imagine 3 managers

Manager A wins 4 games from 10, and loses the other 6
Manager B wins 3, draws 4, loses 3
Manager C wins 2, draws 8, loses 0

Win ratios are 40%, 30% and 20% respectively, but the manager with the best win ratio has the lowest points total, and vice versa
 
marco90 said:
Top 6 and further......in the championship aye :D:D:D

Not denying he a good manager! Just think he probably should've better than he has! The team he inherited was better than both Di Canio's & Dicks and still failed!!
He is also completely unproven at Championship level but hey let start a petition begging him to stay:rolleyes: with a front page open letter!!
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There's been plenty managers unproven at Championship level, but still managed to get promoted, tbf
 
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