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Adam Johnson Trial Verdict

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Ghost in the Machine said:
Does anyone know what documents they wereor is that more speculation?

If a brief, or his client under his instruction, offered me private dcumentation under similar circumstances I'd hand them straight back anarl. My first thought would be what's the sneaky bugger attempting to set up here.
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The club weren't at trial here just Adam Johnson, they had nothing to be 'tricked' over. Why would they hand it straight back? They would need to absorb every word of those documents for their own safeguarding purposes. Absolutely inconceivable that they would not.
 

shepherd88 said:
No one thought the club knew anything about it though. the QC mentioning it in court has brought it to people's attention.


Mind I'm pretty sure we fine from a legal point of view. The main accusations revolve around if they played Johnson knowing or suspecting what he had done.
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I was meaning to protect the club from the kind of bad press we're currently getting,rather than suggesting we did anything illegal. It's the image of the club which is being damaged and she could be said to have that as one of her job descriptions,and would seem to be qualified to manage that side of our operations.
 
Purrfect South said:
He signed shirts for lots of children outside of the stadium, along with all the other players. It was her who contacted him first, and he wasn't the only player she texted. This is not normal behaviour, which ever way you want to look at it. Why would the club expect that every child is going to chase after the players, just because they got an autograph? They'd have to ban all autographs, or contacts with all minors if that was the case.
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How do you know she texted other players?
 
sad-eyed prophet said:
One thing is though,we have a chief executive who knows nothing about football ( recent history proves that),but who appears not to have been able to ensure we stayed the right side of everything in a legal matter either,which I did think was her line of expertise.
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She is CEO and not responsible for interpreting or advising on legal matters. The Club retain London based lawyers who provide support and advice to SAFC companies. There was specialist legal advice taken and the actions of the Club were taken based upon that advice as the statement indicates. The scenario where Margaret Byrne seems to act completely independently and is entirely the driver for decisions and actions over Johnson's situation being painted by some on here is laughable.
 
haway said:
What about if Byrne had told all this info to Short?

He wouldn't have grounds to sack her, if he knew it all as well.

Hardly seems implausible if Byrne did in fact know this information that she discussed it with Short. If so what will happen then?
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He'll give her a massive golden handshake and tell her to take responsibility.
 
haway said:
police station interview transcript, victim's evidence and whatsapp messages...
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Iirc was he not shown, early in the trial, to have lied in his interviews with the police?

I think it's then unreasonable to try and decide which things he said (at that time) were true and which were not, given he admitted he was confused and trying to wriggle out (not his words, but the meaning still stands) of what he was being questioned about.
 
Bagpuss said:
But surely they were aware he had been messaging her and had kissed her?
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He could reply to a FB message requesting a shirt, and then arrange to deliver it. Giving a peck on the cheek when saying goodbye. This is probably as much as he admitted to at the time, and he pretty much said so in court.
Clubs can't control their players when they're not at work, but codes of conduct should probably be much more strict.
 
Bagpuss said:
There were no young adults involved in this case, just a 28 year old bloke and a child.
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Purrfect South said:
I think you'll find there's a lot more to it than that. You're simplifying the situation because you want to protect the lass. I understand that, but this case is not that straightforward forward. I'm hoping we don't miss this opportunity to look at the behaviour of young adults, and try to work out ways to discourage them from putting themselves at risk. Smart phones, and the Internet, are more to blame for this situation than the club.
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As for the smart phones and the internet being to blame what tripe....The club just like schools etc operate in a world where social media and the internet are now normal......Teens get crushes on their teachers all the time, surely you would not blame anybody but the teacher if anything happened as a result of that crush and surely if the school became aware of it and did not ensure that teacher was never near another child then you would be up in arms. The standard approach is to suspend a teacher on full pay till the case is resolved, despite the fact many accusations ultimately prove to be malicious, its how we keep kids safe from those who do have bad intentions.
 
haway said:
What about if Byrne had told all this info to Short?

He wouldn't have grounds to sack her, if he knew it all as well.

Hardly seems implausible if Byrne did in fact know this information that she discussed it with Short. If so what will happen then?
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Presumably, those with the strength of their convictions will stay away until Short has gone. Otherwise they will lose credibility.
 
haway said:
What about if Byrne had told all this info to Short?

He wouldn't have grounds to sack her, if he knew it all as well.

Hardly seems implausible if Byrne did in fact know this information that she discussed it with Short. If so what will happen then?
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Nowt. You'll just have to get over it.
 
Laeotaekhun said:
Iirc was he not shown, early in the trial, to have lied in his interviews with the police?

I think it's then unreasonable to try and decide which things he said (at that time) were true and which were not, given he admitted he was confused and trying to wriggle out (not his words, but the meaning still stands) of what he was being questioned about.
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Yes he did.

But he also admitted kissing her. And messaging her. And she allegedly had those messages.

TBH I think this whole thread comes back to what Cockney Mackem keeps saying. If SAFC have nothing to hide on this they should come out and set the facts out, because at the moment our brand is getting seriously tarnished.
 
haway said:
'Sexual activity with a child'.

Child...

Child...

Child...
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Minor, Juvenile,Someone under the age of consent but not really child unless you want to make what happened even more horrendous than it was which is what media and some supporters are doing.
 
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