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Adam Johnson Trial Verdict

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Cockney Mackem said:
While it's fair to say that there's a difference between Johnson and a child molester (and you have my empathy for what happened to you) it's problematic to try and say how much responsibility the girl should take for her actions.

Yes the age of consent is somewhat arbitrary and you're absolutely right that a girl doesn't suddenly become ready for things on her 16th birthday that were despicable crimes the day before. But teenagers have limited life experience, a bunch of hormones and poor impulse control. Below a certain age (and the law has to draw a line somewhere to have any chance of regulating this) it's determined that a young person is not equipped to decide to have sex. The flip side I'd they're not equipped to decide not to have sex. There is an onus on the older person not to exploit this. In Denmark for example you're right that the age of consent is 15, but it's also a criminal offence to induce anyone under 18 to have sex by exploiting an age difference and greater experience. The law states a difference between a fifteen year old girl sleeping with her 17 year old boyfriend, which may be problematic in other ways but is not for them a criminal matter, and a much older person exploiting an impressionable young person.

This latter is exactly what Johnson did. The girl was starry eyed at meeting her hero and getting a signed shirt and was bowled over by him showing an interest in her. At which point you've got a man not far off thirty, who might be a f***ing cretin but he's also aware that he's a millionaire and has over a decade more life experience than her, calling the shots and lining her up for sex.

It is clearly not as serious a crime as the grooming and rape of a younger child, but it is still sinister and exploitative. Frankly if the girl had been 16 it would still be creepy as fuck in my eyes, and the sort of thing that should in my view still be illegal because of the age difference and something approaching a position of trust and privilege.

So while paedophile and nonce might not be exactly the right words, he still deserves a description of what a despicable little fuckwit he is.
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A very well-reasoned post as usual, and I agree with you. I'm perhaps being harsh on the girl, but on the other hand, with social media and texting being freely available to underage girls, we need to teach them some personal responsibility. Either that or nanny them. That's the parents' choice.

As for AJ, yes, he's a creep. I've torn into him on here and blame him primarily for all of this, he's a disgrace.
 
Flared Hicks said:
Liking this seems wrong, in the context.

Hope the miserable fucker is suffering/ suffered for the rest of his natural. And then some.
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Thank you, but funnily enough I don't hope that. I hope that he's lived a good life and not hurt anyone else.

Forgiveness is the hardest thing in the world, and it took me decades, but it has to be done. Otherwise the hate and the hurt just keep tumbling on.
 
FN-2187 said:
He was, he just hadn't been caught or convicted. But he was still a sex offender.

That's like saying I could go out today and murder 12 people but if I don't get caught I'm not really a murdreder.
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No he wasn't, that is exactly the point you are missing

The evidence was carefully presented and laid out in court, which proved he was guilty, not a moment before

You can't go around making presumptions

You have just proved my point exactly, thanks a lot.
 
Mackem00 said:
No. I think he's a right sad fucker. I don't put him in the same bracket as a child molesterer tho. There's 15 year old lasses who scare the shit out of me tbh (Not referring to the girl in question). I just live in the real world.
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But that's what he's been convicted of. He targeted her, found out she was under the age of legal consent and then he continued to target her. He fits the profile. Access, opportunity, manipulation, told her how 'grown up' she was. Rewards in terms of gifts and praise. Got the sexual contact that he targeted her for and tried to go back for more. Same as any other sexual predator.
 
janiep said:
Thank you, but funnily enough I don't hope that. I hope that he's lived a good life and not hurt anyone else.

Forgiveness is the hardest thing in the world, and it took me decades, but it has to be done. Otherwise the hate and the hurt just keep tumbling on.
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Revenge worked brilliantly for me, but I understand not everyone has that option ;)
 
johnson said:
No he wasn't, that is exactly the point you are missing

The evidence was carefully presented and laid out in court, which proved he was guilty, not a moment before

You can't go around making presumptions

You have just proved my point exactly, thanks a lot.
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Bollocks.

If I go outside right now and rape someone I'm a rapist. Doesn't matter one jot if I'm convicted or not. I could shout from the roof tops I'm innocent, I could even be found not guilty in court but I'd know I was still a bloody rapist.
 
walesie said:
Oh fuck off man. Shes a child & has been put through a very traumatic experience at the hands of a convicted child abuser.

I'm sorry for what you were subjected too but you are way off putting any blame on the victim in this case.
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OK, we're not going to agree on what makes a 'child abuser'. No problem, I respect your opinion.
 
prehab26 said:
Why. He put his fingers to the vagina of a 15 year old child.

What is sensational about that. He was found guilty of exactly that.
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Why type that out man? :lol:

It's clear you aren't going to be sensible in this discussion so I'll not bother.

Should have used "penetration" for added effect imo.

At 15 would you have let Gabby Roslin touch your hoo haa?
 
FN-2187 said:
Bollocks.

If I go outside right now and rape someone I'm a rapist. Doesn't matter one jot if I'm convicted or not. I could shout from the roof tops I'm innocent, I could even be found not guilty in court but I'd know I was still a bloody rapist.
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You would, but the court wouldn't

What if you didn't rape someone, but somebody said you were a rapist, we just presume you are guilty then too???
 
Morse said:
A very well-reasoned post as usual, and I agree with you. I'm perhaps being harsh on the girl, but on the other hand, with social media and texting being freely available to underage girls, we need to teach them some personal responsibility. Either that or nanny them. That's the parents' choice.

As for AJ, yes, he's a creep. I've torn into him on here and blame him primarily for all of this, he's a disgrace.
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The club need to train players how to respond to MINORS contacting them and appropriate action.

I bet other clubs are as most self respecting organisations do already.
 
Mackem00 said:
Why type that out man? :lol:

It's clear you aren't going to be sensible in this discussion so I'll not bother.

Should have used "penetration" for added effect imo.
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Sensible, sorry think I am being to be honest. If you see that as sensationalism then more fool you. It's exactly what he done, no point dressing it up of saying 'you live in the real world' trying to sort of see it differently. There is nowt different to see about it. :neutral:
 
JonMc said:
But that's what he's been convicted of. He targeted her, found out she was under the age of legal consent and then he continued to target her. He fits the profile. Access, opportunity, manipulation, told her how 'grown up' she was. Rewards in terms of gifts and praise. Got the sexual contact that he targeted her for and tried to go back for more. Same as any other sexual predator.
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So all offences of that nature are the same? Seems ridiculous imo.
 
FN-2187 said:
Bollocks.

If I go outside right now and rape someone I'm a rapist. Doesn't matter one jot if I'm convicted or not. I could shout from the roof tops I'm innocent, I could even be found not guilty in court but I'd know I was still a bloody rapist.
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Nobody else would though. Apart from the victim like.
 
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