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Adam Johnson Trial Verdict

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Morse said:
Offensive is over using words with a very emotive meaning. The terms 'nonce' 'paedo' and 'child molester' have huge emotive impact. This diminishes when they're thrown around too much.

If she can't make an informed choice to have sexual contact a few weeks from her 16th birthday, what changes when she turns 16, other than a legal technicality? Does she have an epiphany? Does she go to classes? does she suddenly mature? No, she's still the same girl.

This is why the age of consent should be 18 IMO, 16 year olds are still quite often too immature to make such drastic choices about their bodies.
You can't vote or drink at 16 but you can have sex? Absolutely ridiculous IMO.
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This is why we have laws.

She was 15, not a few weeks from 16.

15 and should have been safe!
 

prehab26 said:
Sensible, sorry think I am being to be honest. If you see that as sensationalism then more fool you. It's exactly what he done, no point dressing it up of saying 'you live in the real world' trying to sort of see it differently. There is nowt different to see about it. :neutral:
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I still can't believe you typed that particular line out tbh.

Anyway, back to Gabby Roslin.
 
Useless at Roker said:
The club need to train players how to respond to MINORS contacting them and appropriate action.

I bet other clubs are as most self respecting organisations do already.
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Maybe they do, I'm sure people in many organisations are trained in the same way. Teachers, Social Workers, police officers, priests, I'm sure the are all trained about how to respond to minors.
It doesn't mean they can stop rogue actions from individuals.
 
JonMc said:
But that's what he's been convicted of. He targeted her, found out she was under the age of legal consent and then he continued to target her. He fits the profile. Access, opportunity, manipulation, told her how 'grown up' she was. Rewards in terms of gifts and praise. Got the sexual contact that he targeted her for and tried to go back for more. Same as any other sexual predator.
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If he wasn't a footballer we'd all be saying "Dirty B&££& he looks like one as well, you know, the eyes"
 
Mackem00 said:
I still can't believe you typed that particular line out tbh.
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Why? We are adults and you said I was being sensationalist. So, for clarity, I thought I would type out exactly what he has been convicted of. I have no idea why you dont seem to find it disgusting and seem to be lessening his offense by asking others if they would be ok with females have a grope when they were 15.
 
janey said:
Maybe they do, I'm sure people in many organisations are trained in the same way. Teachers, Social Workers, police officers, priests, I'm sure the are all trained about how to respond to minors.
It doesn't mean they can stop rogue actions from individuals.
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So why doesn't the statement say this?
 
johnson said:
He wasn't a sex offender then.

That is how the law works, and rightly so. For every Adam Johnson, there is an innocent bloke who is tarred for life.
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The crimes had been committed, evidence was shared with Byrne. He was on the field being cheered on by children. It was plain wrong and if it was another club you would be saying the same thing. Take the rose tinted glasses off and accept that the club have made a grave error of judgement.

The club need to offer an apology, Byrne needs to go and then we can move on.
 
While we're on the subject, I was recently at a brief where I had to endure a 'sexual decency' set of slides (it was from the police as part of the arrival process mind, I wasn't sent there specifically......). It could be summed up as 'don't put your finger in anyone without asking'. People need to be told this? Really? The world's knackered.
 
cfg said:
Just a thought. His phone would have been taken from him and kept by police. He could have requested any docs to be sent for his legal team.

In any case his team have played a good game to get club involved. He deserves whatever comes his way.
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The documents were sourced from Johnson.
 
Useless at Roker said:
So why doesn't the statement say this?
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Why would they need to say we train people in how to behave around children? It has been clearly stated, and as far as I'm aware undisputed by people on both sides of the debate, that when the police first visited the club, on the day of his arrest, the club put safeguarding measures into place.
 
janiep said:
Thank you, but funnily enough I don't hope that. I hope that he's lived a good life and not hurt anyone else.

Forgiveness is the hardest thing in the world, and it took me decades, but it has to be done. Otherwise the hate and the hurt just keep tumbling on.
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I couldn't even begin to put myself in your shoes (I'm a size 8), but I'm sure you're bang on. Mine was an instant knee-jerk response from a distance where you have had to live with this and try to reconcile it over decades.*


*Not saying you're git ancient and that mind. xx
 
Useless at Roker said:
The club need to train players how to respond to MINORS contacting them and appropriate action.

I bet other clubs are as most self respecting organisations do already.
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I bet they don't and absolute crap about the club need to train players. I am sick to death of this idea that people aren't responsible for their actions. We all know right from wrong and if we choose to ignore our moral compass then we deserve whatever punishment is given and it's no - one's fault but our own.
 
AJ was so arrogant he either thought let's enjoy my time and £&£@ everyone or that it would spin out and his victim would ask for cash or the case would collapse.

Well done to the victim and her friends for staying so strong!
 
LeicesterMackem said:
You have to accept that you're blaming the victim of a sex offender.
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I guess it looks that way. I'm not really saying that, I'm saying it's not the same as an attack with an entirely unwilling victim, so the terms that are being thrown around to describe AJ are inappropriate. She's a 'victim' because she hadn't turned 16. That's the law, AJ will pay for his crime. In reality, prison won't even be 10% of his punishment.

If the girl is genuinely traumatised by the encounters, then naturally she has my sympathy. Only she knows how she feels, but I'm guessing the trial and media attention in the case may have been more traumatic for her.

15 or 16, neither age is appropriate to make an informed decision of sexual consent IMO, they're still kids. 18 would be better.
 
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