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Adam Johnson Trial Verdict

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Morse said:
Did the girl have learning difficulties that prevented her from making a choice? She encouraged the situation from the start, it was with her consent. When she turns/turned 16, does she suddenly become competent enough to make an informed decision about sex? Legally yes, in reality, no. In Denmark and premably many other countries, she'd be legal. Are they culturally backwards there regarding sex? 16 is a fairly arbitrary choice of age of consent, it's hardly a science given people mature at very different rates. For what it's worth, I think the age of consent should be raised to 18, for various reasons. All this 'nonce' and child molester talk is a massive overreaction and is insulting to those who have genuinely been molested IMO.

I was molested several times as a kid, I've openly mentioned it on here before, on a couple of occasions it involved violence. I felt threatened and cornered, and I couldn't tell anyone as I didn't think anyone would believe me. I did absolutely nothing to encourage the events. NOTHING.
If you think that is in any way the same thing as the Johnson case, you're f***ing nuts. You and all the idiots who agree with you. The girl has to shoulder some responsibility in this, and where the hell were her parents?
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So the lass and her parents have to share the blame
 
Morse said:
Did the girl have learning difficulties that prevented her from making a choice? She encouraged the situation from the start, it was with her consent. When she turns/turned 16, does she suddenly become competent enough to make an informed decision about sex? Legally yes, in reality, no. In Denmark and premably many other countries, she'd be legal. Are they culturally backwards there regarding sex? 16 is a fairly arbitrary choice of age of consent, it's hardly a science given people mature at very different rates. For what it's worth, I think the age of consent should be raised to 18, for various reasons. All this 'nonce' and child molester talk is a massive overreaction and is insulting to those who have genuinely been molested IMO.

I was molested several times as a kid, I've openly mentioned it on here before, on a couple of occasions it involved violence. I felt threatened and cornered, and I couldn't tell anyone as I didn't think anyone would believe me. I did absolutely nothing to encourage the events. NOTHING.
If you think that is in any way the same thing as the Johnson case, you're f***ing nuts. You and all the idiots who agree with you. The girl has to shoulder some responsibility in this, and where the hell were her parents?
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You are making the common and fatal mistake of putting the responsibility for choice on the minor.
A minor at 15 does make a conscious choice to do things... drink, drugs, sex etc - but the law protects them by placing the onus on the ADULT to make the right choices, not the minor.
If a minor dresses up in stockings and heels and begs you for sex willingly it doesn't matter what her 'will' is - it matters what YOUR will and subsequent choice is.

It's the same reason that we don't let minors buy alcohol or cigs etc - because many of them would willingly choose to buy them. We as adults recognise that the willing choices they make are not quite as informed as they think they are, so we take that option away from them.

A 15 year old girl will 'love' a teacher, and 'hate' her father sometimes. They will be absolutely convinced their boyfriend in the love of their life, and that they'll be able to be sensible with drink at a party. And yet, we as adults know otherwise right? - which is precisely why the onus was ALWAYS on Johnson and not the girl to make the right choices. He didn't.

Whenever the law deals with minors, it's not about their choice, but about the adult's responsibility.
 
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underwaterwubbleduck said:
for the people trying to use cisse as some sort of comfort blanket agains any black n white with an opinion

cisse started his relationship with the 13 year old girl when he was 15(it became illigal when he turned 16)....he also went on to marry the same lass.....just out of intrest how many young lasses have had kids in this country when they have been under 16?.........1000's........and how many of the fathers would have been under 16....1000's...and how many of the fathers would have turned 16 before the lass....1000's
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All sex offenders in the eyes of the law
 
Morse said:
Did the girl have learning difficulties that prevented her from making a choice? She encouraged the situation from the start, it was with her consent. When she turns/turned 16, does she suddenly become competent enough to make an informed decision about sex? Legally yes, in reality, no. In Denmark and premably many other countries, she'd be legal. Are they culturally backwards there regarding sex? 16 is a fairly arbitrary choice of age of consent, it's hardly a science given people mature at very different rates. For what it's worth, I think the age of consent should be raised to 18, for various reasons. All this 'nonce' and child molester talk is a massive overreaction and is insulting to those who have genuinely been molested IMO.

I was molested several times as a kid, I've openly mentioned it on here before, on a couple of occasions it involved violence. I felt threatened and cornered, and I couldn't tell anyone as I didn't think anyone would believe me. I did absolutely nothing to encourage the events. NOTHING.
If you think that is in any way the same thing as the Johnson case, you're f***ing nuts. You and all the idiots who agree with you. The girl has to shoulder some responsibility in this, and where the hell were her parents?
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Sorry to hear that, but I have to disagree with you. The victim is never to blame. Saying she has to shoulder some responsibility is totally wrong. It's also very offensive.

What do you think she actually needs to take responsibility for??
 
FanchesterCity said:
You are making the common and fatal mistake of putting the responsibility for choice on the minor.
A minor at 15 does make a conscious choice to do things... drink, drugs, sex etc - but the law protects them by placing the onus on the ADULT to make the right choices, not the minor.
If a minor dresses up in stockings and heels and begs you for sex willingly it doesn't matter what her 'will' is - it matters what YOUR will and subsequent choice is.

It's the same reason that we don't let minors by alcohol or cigs etc - because many of them would willingly choose to buy them. We as adults recognise that the willing choices they make are not quite as informed as they think they are, so we take that option away from them.

A 15 year old girl will 'love' a teacher, and 'hate' her father sometimes. They will be absolutely convinced their boyfriend in the love of their life, and that they'll be able to be sensible with drink at a party. And yet, we as adults know otherwise right? - which is precisely why the onus was ALWAYS on Johnson and not the girl to make the right choices. He didn't.

Whenever the law deals with minors, it's not about their choice, but about the adult's responsibility.
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You're talking about things from a legal position. He's talking about the human side.
 
Wood Green Mackem said:
Finally we might see the benefit of having a lawyer at the top. If we've fucked up in any way legally then it will be astonishing

What the MP should be focusing on is using the case to promote local services in her constituency for children suffering the same thing.

No surprise instead she is gunning the football club

Classic really
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How so ? Byrne is a two-bit solicitor in a former life. She's well out of her depth here.
 
Dogbark said:
You're talking about things from a legal position. He's talking about the human side.
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From a human side it's still wrong.
We can't expect adults to resist the temptations of underage girls?
If they can't then they deserve exactly what they get.
 
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