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Sunderland in world war 2

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Anyone interested in WWII in the north east go to north east diary 1939-1945. A collection of incidents in every town between Berwick and Hull, loads about Sunderland. If you lost a relative, friend or ancestor in the North Sea it will be there. Aircraft shot down it will be there. A great resource, have a look. Bombings are also
 
Icarebecauseyoudo said:
Was she married to uncle Albert?
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HAHA my grandad was actually a chief petty officer in the navy. He was in charge of the ship library one day and his mate who was in charge of a gun turret asked him to swap because he had migraine. Library was bombed and grandad lived on. We're all just one wrong move away from the end and I think uncle Albert was based on him.

Stevie Freestein II said:
Ta for that, interesting. Also top marks for the sar-car-zim. :lol:



Was she a gypsy or traveller type?
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Aye mate always on the move. She was originally from Roscommon in Ireland and tight as fook. When I was 18 and got my first flat she sold me her old wall clock that didn't work properly for a fiver. I saw same type in the shops for four quid :lol:
 
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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I remember reading that Sunderland was bombed much more than would have been expected due to returning Luftwaffe bomber crews been encouraged to dump remaining payload over the area on their way back to German air space. The theory being it was on their way back anyway and there was such a high concentration of pits and shipyards they were likely to hit something.
 
Phil_Harmonic said:
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I remember reading that Sunderland was bombed much more than would have been expected due to returning Luftwaffe bomber crews been encouraged to dump remaining payload over the area on their way back to German air space. The theory being it was on their way back anyway and there was such a high concentration of pits and shipyards they were likely to hit something.
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Suspect that this is not true. If you've ever seen the reconnaissance photos (I'm sure someone posted them earlier in this thread) you'll see that there are a number of very clear targets. I would expect you might get a "rogue" single bomber dropping its load (fnarr) after a bombing raid elsewhere, but you would be hard pressed to have a fleet of bombers that still retained a sizeable payload of bombs.
 
Vinny the Mackem said:
Suspect that this is not true. If you've ever seen the reconnaissance photos (I'm sure someone posted them earlier in this thread) you'll see that there are a number of very clear targets. I would expect you might get a "rogue" single bomber dropping its load (fnarr) after a bombing raid elsewhere, but you would be hard pressed to have a fleet of bombers that still retained a sizeable payload of bombs.
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exactly, if your target was say Liverpool you'd have a number of alternative targets in case Liverpool was obscured (probably Manchester, Crewe, etc) - if they were all obscured they they're would be a chance you'd have returning bombers dumping them on the way back, but its just as likely they'd just drop them anywhere rather than travel back across England waiting for Sunderland - and why Sunderland, why not Newcastle, Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Hull depending on your route back

Plus i also mentioned upthread that the majority of the bombers were based in France, Belgium, Holland & Denmark so if we're on a return flightpath to those locations then its probable that Scotland was the target, in which case they'd be more likely to try and bomb a Scottish port on the way out (why travel back over England when you can nip out into the relative safety of the North Sea for your trip home)

Sunderland was targeted because of the shipyards, it was'nt bombed by accident
 
Vinny the Mackem said:
Suspect that this is not true. If you've ever seen the reconnaissance photos (I'm sure someone posted them earlier in this thread) you'll see that there are a number of very clear targets. I would expect you might get a "rogue" single bomber dropping its load (fnarr) after a bombing raid elsewhere, but you would be hard pressed to have a fleet of bombers that still retained a sizeable payload of bombs.
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I meant in addition to the planned raids. I definitely read it somewhere, can't remember where though.
 
Phil_Harmonic said:
I meant in addition to the planned raids. I definitely read it somewhere, can't remember where though.
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well if they did it anything like we did in the war there would be a main raid and a series of spoof or diversion raids

Something to keep people awake, and to try and pull nightfighters out of position

But from what i've read about German raids they seemed to just go for an all main raid approach
 
Scotty said:
exactly, if your target was say Liverpool you'd have a number of alternative targets in case Liverpool was obscured (probably Manchester, Crewe, etc) - if they were all obscured they they're would be a chance you'd have returning bombers dumping them on the way back, but its just as likely they'd just drop them anywhere rather than travel back across England waiting for Sunderland - and why Sunderland, why not Newcastle, Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Hull depending on your route back

Plus i also mentioned upthread that the majority of the bombers were based in France, Belgium, Holland & Denmark so if we're on a return flightpath to those locations then its probable that Scotland was the target, in which case they'd be more likely to try and bomb a Scottish port on the way out (why travel back over England when you can nip out into the relative safety of the North Sea for your trip home)

Sunderland was targeted because of the shipyards, it was'nt bombed by accident
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I never said bombed by accident in fairness and the concentration of both pits and shipyards would be the draw, as opposed to Newcastle, Hartlepool etc
 
Phil_Harmonic said:
I never said bombed by accident in fairness and the concentration of both pits and shipyards would be the draw, as opposed to Newcastle, Hartlepool etc
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no, you said they were 'encouraged' to drop reamaining payloads over Sunderland - i was merely pointing out that this was unlikely.

And i think you're giving 1940's navigation too much credit.

This was 1940 when bombing the right country was classed as a success.
 
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