Krul

[Deleted member 634]

Haha, that sounds like him. He's the main offender. He's ALWAYS on here having some argument or another. I feel a bit sorry for him, I genuinely dont think he has much outside of this forum, and SAFC, which is why he cant understand anyone that may not join in with the 'Newcastle are scum' style craic.



Eh? Do you actually think I would create trouble for you in your profession?

Why would you comment about investigating where he worked then? What would you do when you knew where he worked?

 

[PISTON]

You mean like scoring then telling him to fuck off? I think they did try that, Krul saved two though

They weren't proper penalty takers though, just a couple of players with poor technique.

It all comes down to two ways or mindsets of handling that type of situation.
1) Committing yourself to a small target area with a minimum 50mph shot. This will eliminate the keeper assuming he starts in a central position.
The problem with this method is it puts all the pressure on the kicker regardless of the situation. The target and speed is the thing to beat, not the keeper.

2) Waiting for the keeper to commit and strike a huge target area at anything between 20mph to 70mph. In this case you are trying to overcome the keeper, not the small target.

I assume you can see the difference between the two mindsets. In a pressure situation for option 1 the target starts to look smaller and the player sometimes adds a bit extra to the kick to get 50mph just in case. In effect, the player beats himself.
For option 2 the player knows that pressure, eyeballing, arm waving, swearing, time wasting and tv cameras will have zero effect on gravity. As long as he reads the keeper's centre of gravity nothing changes. Many of these penalties look savable if the keeper had guessed correctly, but that's the whole point, there was no guessing involved from the striker. He struck the ball where the keeper wasn't.

 

[dirty bristow]

Why would you comment about investigating where he worked then? What would you do when you knew where he worked?

A ****'s trick and no mistake.

 

[PJH]

Clearly worked. Wind the players up so that they want to hit you with the ball, and thus aim for you. You make the saves and look the hero.

 

[Deleted member 634]

Krul's antics are OK when it comes off like last night but I would have loved to have seen Costa Rica win and run up and celebrate in his face, the square heeded bastard

 

[stevebrucehasason]

Apparently he told each penalty taker that he knew were they were going to put their kick.. He did go the right way each time and saved 2 out of 5.

Can't understand for one moment why anyone would be adverse to such tactics.

 

[Skandhaless]

Apparently he told each penalty taker that he knew were they were going to put their kick.. He did go the right way each time and saved 2 out of 5.

Can't understand for one moment why anyone would be adverse to such tactics.

i would have said " it doesnt matter pal , you still wont save it , in fact i am going to tell you where i am going to put it, top left , stand 2/3rds ove rif you want i will still beat you " . Then i would have put it bottom right ...sneaky **** me like , clever too

 

[Flash Gordon]

I'll give credit to Krul in that he sorted out the penalty takers from the none penalty takers. In that sense can do no more than that, he did his job.

This is exactly what Van Gaal and Krul did so well.

It must take nerves of steal to score a penalty in a World Cup quarter final against Holland when you're minnows like Costa Rica.

As if it's not daunting enough, Van Gaal has just brought on a penalty specialist keeper. It doesn't matter if he is or not, it's the psychological effect. Then Krul walks up to them and he doesn't even need to say much, just something like "I've been studying how you take penalties, I know what you're going to do" and it all adds to the pressure.

Suddenly a player who has been practicing a certain penalty in training daily, is having second thoughts. If he still scores then fair play to him, but if it throws even one of the five off, it has given them a chance.

 

[PISTON]

This is exactly what Van Gaal and Krul did so well.

It must take nerves of steal to score a penalty in a World Cup quarter final against Holland when you're minnows like Costa Rica.

As if it's not daunting enough, Van Gaal has just brought on a penalty specialist keeper. It doesn't matter if he is or not, it's the psychological effect. Then Krul walks up to them and he doesn't even need to say much, just something like "I've been studying how you take penalties, I know what you're going to do" and it all adds to the pressure.

Suddenly a player who has been practicing a certain penalty in training daily, is having second thoughts. If he still scores then fair play to him, but if it throws even one of the five off, it has given them a chance.

Correct, his job is to sort out the weak from the strong. He could have no effect whatsoever on the strong. He gave himself a 50% chance against the weak though, and it worked.

The best penalty takers don't hit the ball into the corners because it risks hitting the post. They simply aim to miss the keeper, not hit a postage stamp.

 

[Flash Gordon]

Correct, his job is to sort out the weak from the strong. He could have no effect whatsoever on the strong. He gave himself a 50% chance against the weak though, and it worked.

The best penalty takers don't hit the ball into the corners because it risks hitting the post. They simply aim to miss the keeper, not hit a postage stamp.

I certainly think there is solid method on your theory, but I think it is just one theory. I've watched plenty of world class penalty takers hit penalties into corners, high and low, or even down the middle, some with reasonable pace or some like Mr Shearer who occasionally tried to rip the net off.

 

[PISTON]

I certainly think there is solid method on your theory, but I think it is just one theory. I've watched plenty of world class penalty takers hit penalties into corners, high and low, or even down the middle, some with reasonable pace or some like Mr Shearer who occasionally tried to rip the net off.

There are two methods but one has a variation.
1a) Hit a PRE-DETERMINED specific target area at minimum speed.
1b) Hit a PRE-DETERMINED rough target area at absolute maximum speed.
2) Take what the keeper gives you. Read the keeper and strike accordingly.

Basically, with 1a and 1b the kicker has already committed to an action first and all the pressure is then on the kicker to achieve his target. With 2 the kicker waits till the last split second and reacts to the keeper's commitment. He won't know where the ball is going almost until the foot strikes it, even then there could be slight adjustment.

A player who kicks the ball straight down the middle is not a type 2 unless he's done so after the keeper has gone. If he was going down the middle regardless then he's a type 1, which you sometimes see as the keeper stands his ground and the ball just flies straight to him.

It is of course possible for a world class penalty taker to be a type 1. You just need to be able to hit a 2 square foot target at 50mph in all circumstances. That is very very difficult and only a select few could do it to a high percentage.
Most great penalty takers let the keeper beat himself.

 

[Flash Gordon]

There are two methods but one has a variation.
1a) Hit a PRE-DETERMINED specific target area at minimum speed.
1b) Hit a PRE-DETERMINED rough target area at absolute maximum speed.
2) Take what the keeper gives you. Read the keeper and strike accordingly.

Basically, with 1a and 1b the kicker has already committed to an action first and all the pressure is then on the kicker to achieve his target. With 2 the kicker waits till the last split second and reacts to the keeper's commitment. He won't know where the ball is going almost until the foot strikes it, even then there could be slight adjustment.

A player who kicks the ball straight down the middle is not a type 2 unless he's done so after the keeper has gone. If he was going down the middle regardless then he's a type 1, which you sometimes see as the keeper stands his ground and the ball just flies straight to him.

It is of course possible for a world class penalty taker to be a type 1. You just need to be able to hit a 2 square foot target at 50mph in all circumstances. That is very very difficult and only a select few could do it to a high percentage.
Most great penalty takers let the keeper beat himself.

Is there not an argument though, that keepers are also aware of this and therefore top class goalkeepers are able to disguise their movement, feint effectively or even wait and out-psyche the attacker?

 

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[Deleted User 18963]

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Good image and that type of reverse psychology is perfectly fine however, it was just when he approached the pen taker and started to have words. That was then the officials should have stepped in and sent him back to his line.

 

[PISTON]

Is there not an argument though, that keepers are also aware of this and therefore top class goalkeepers are able to disguise their movement, feint effectively or even wait and out-psyche the attacker?

That's why you watch their Centre of Gravity flash lad. It's the only thing they can't fake. Drilled into PISTON by a top man.
Because you're a good lad i'll take my CofG tuition one step further. As they move around your own advance and foot should be timed as closely as possible to their Cof G movement. If you imagine a piece of wire/string attached to their belly button you should try to keep your foot in sync with it.

Just remember, for a keeper to move one way effectively he has to move his CofG the opposite first to swing his momentum. Try it in your sitting room!! If you go to jump upwards you bend your knees, to lower your Cof G then thrust upwards. If you want to dive low and hard to your right you swing slightly to the left first. Most people probably don't even know they're doing it. Without doing that momentum shift first you'd barely move.
In football terms if you're watching the keeper's CofG and it remains stationary then 2/3 yards either side will beat him every time. As long as you understand that and believe it there's no need to risk going for the corners. Likewise if the keeper has swayed to the left first the instant he switches momentum to go right nothing in the world will get him back the first way fast enough. He's a goner.

I hope you're writing all this down Flash!!

 

[Bracewells Boots]

Nothing steals from my real life though. My real life is my real life, this is the internet. In real life I certainly wouldn't give time of day to someone like you. Then again, you and many others wouldn't say what you say on here.

Every hour you spend on here, is an hour not living your real life (to use your dichotomy)

How do you know what I would or wouldnt say in real life? For the most part, what I say is normal, every day stuff. I certainly would call out an idiot like you, if you were walking around everyone in the bar looking for grief. I would have absolutely no problem with that whatsoever.

Why would you comment about investigating where he worked then? What would you do when you knew where he worked?

To find out if he really is a teacher. I refuse to believe he is in charge of people's futures.

That okay mate?

 

[dirty bristow]

Every hour you spend on here, is an hour not living your real life (to use your dichotomy)

How do you know what I would or wouldnt say in real life? For the most part, what I say is normal, every day stuff. I certainly would call out an idiot like you, if you were walking around everyone in the bar looking for grief. I would have absolutely no problem with that whatsoever.

But I don't you idiot. When away from here I only bother with people I want to bother with. On here I have people like you bothering me. I am not interested pal, take it elsewhere.
What a cretin you are, stick me on ignore you rancid shithouse....after of course you have tried to get my in trouble at work you grassing spenk

 

[Bracewells Boots]

But I don't you idiot. When away from here I only bother with people I want to bother with. On here I have people like you bothering me. I am not interested pal, take it elsewhere.
What a cretin you are, stick me on ignore you rancid shithouse.

Get in, I just knew you would be on here. I gave it ten minutes but you even beat what I thought was quite a short timeframe.

Stop bothering other people man you thick f***ing idiot. Stop looking for arguments and bother. Its all you do. Then you spit the dummy out when someone actually gives you it.

Stick me on ignore, like you obviously have the other people that have joined in this conversation today.

 

[viccarlton]

This is exactly what Van Gaal and Krul did so well.

It must take nerves of steal to score a penalty in a World Cup quarter final against Holland when you're minnows like Costa Rica.

As if it's not daunting enough, Van Gaal has just brought on a penalty specialist keeper. It doesn't matter if he is or not, it's the psychological effect. Then Krul walks up to them and he doesn't even need to say much, just something like "I've been studying how you take penalties, I know what you're going to do" and it all adds to the pressure.

Suddenly a player who has been practicing a certain penalty in training daily, is having second thoughts. If he still scores then fair play to him, but if it throws even one of the five off, it has given them a chance.

A penalty specialist keeper?
Shearer said in commentary that he'd faced 20 at Newcastle and only saved 2, hardly a specialist.

 

[dirty bristow]

Get in, I just knew you would be on here. I gave it ten minutes but you even beat what I thought was quite a short timeframe.

Stop bothering other people man you thick f***ing idiot. Stop looking for arguments and bother. Its all you do. Then you spit the dummy out when someone actually gives you it.

Stick me on ignore, like you obviously have the other people that have joined in this conversation today.

Sigh, you started this today, not me. Then you come back on and straight away, into me. I come here to chat to people I like, but wankers like you get in the way. But of course, you are innocent.
Just find out where I work and report me.