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Short Is Failing Us

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FC United of Manchester said:
Feel sorry for Short in a way, he's put his money in and had fuck all back. He knows nowt about football so has to rely on those who (allegedly) do.

Short should have gone all out to keep Quinny on board. He knows our game, has an empathy with the club and (I think) has the respect of the supporters. He may not be a footballing genius but he couldn't have done any worse than the people who have been advising Short...
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He appointed a relatively young female lawyer to be our chief exec who had no experience working in football.

He appointed an agent as director of football who has overseen some of the worst transfers I've experienced supporting this club.

We were promised that the club wouldn't sell our best players, they did.

We scraped survival last season. The writing was on the cards and the club failed to invest in quality, relying instead on quantity. Many of which have hardly played.

The whole thing is a disaster and on his watch.
 
gipetto said:
If he doesn't appoint a good manager/head coach then I think it's time for him to call it a day and get out.

He's sold Mignolet and Sessegnon and failed to replace them.

We needed more quality and we've brought in bargain basement players.

There is no communication and there appears to be no direction. Commercially we may be doing well but that will count for very little if we are relegated which is looking inevitable.

Very disappointing.
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Sessegnon did nowt any way, apart from running around in circles. Mignolet was sold for good money, and to Liverpool, who are challenging for the title, there's no way you can stop the lad going there, and was repleced by Mannone, who is probably better anyway.

Short has done his best, and invested both money along with emotion, and has sacked managers when they needed sacking, no punches pulled.

it just so happens that SAFC are cursed, and destined to do shit no matter what. It doesn't matter who good our chairman, amnager or players are....
 
CEF said:
Sessegnon did nowt any way, apart from running around in circles. Mignolet was sold for good money, and to Liverpool, who are challenging for the title, there's no way you can stop the lad going there, and was repleced by Mannone, who is probably better anyway.

Short has done his best, and invested both money along with emotion, and has sacked managers when they needed sacking, no punches pulled.

it just so happens that SAFC are cursed, and destined to do shit no matter what. It doesn't matter who good our chairman, amnager or players are....
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Load of shite, we aren't cursed. We are just shite and make wrong decision and wrong decision.

Cursed ffs
 
CEF said:
Sessegnon did nowt any way, apart from running around in circles. Mignolet was sold for good money, and to Liverpool, who are challenging for the title, there's no way you can stop the lad going there, and was repleced by Mannone, who is probably better anyway.

Short has done his best, and invested both money along with emotion, and has sacked managers when they needed sacking, no punches pulled.

it just so happens that SAFC are cursed, and destined to do shit no matter what. It doesn't matter who good our chairman, amnager or players are....
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
CEF said:
Clueless. Roll your eyes all you want like. Mannone is a better keeper, and Sessegnon couldn't give two hoots and can't shoot to save his life
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Surely Wenger would've spotted that. I'll bet we don't get anywhere near as much for him as we got for Mig. And as for Sess, he did actually score goals, but, more to the point, created them as well:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Tommys gloves said:
Surely Wenger would've spotted that. I'll bet we don't get anywhere near as much for him as we got for Mig. And as for Sess, he did actually score goals, but, more to the point, created them as well:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Wenger's let a great keeper go, doesn't sound like you've seen many of our games this year, he's great. We'll not get anywhere near as much as we'll be forced to sell if/when we go down.

Sessegnon rarely scored and was usually frustrating, essentially a poor man's Steed.
 
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CEF said:
Wenger's let a great keeper go, doesn't sound like you've seen many of our games this year, he's great. We'll not get anywhere near as much as we'll be forced to sell if/when we go down.

Sessegnon rarely scored and was usually frustrating, essentially a poor man's Steed.
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7 years, and he didn't spot it:rolleyes: Don't get me wrong, he's canny, but not in the same league as Mig!

Steed...112 apps, 2 goals.:rolleyes:
Sess...97 apps, 18 goals

I'll keep rolling the eyes till you come up with something to prove otherwise!
 
CEF said:
Sessegnon did nowt any way, apart from running around in circles. Mignolet was sold for good money, and to Liverpool, who are challenging for the title, there's no way you can stop the lad going there, and was repleced by Mannone, who is probably better anyway.

Short has done his best, and invested both money along with emotion, and has sacked managers when they needed sacking, no punches pulled.

it just so happens that SAFC are cursed, and destined to do shit no matter what. It doesn't matter who good our chairman, amnager or players are....
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Sessegnon had been our key player for the previous couple of seasons. He's hugely frustrating and inconsistent, but on his day he'll win you games singlehandedly, which is something we've completely failed to replace. And Mignolet's departure may have been inevitable but we sold him for £9m which is cheap considering his age, the fact that he was under contract, and the fact that he was arguably our best player. And even then, that money was incredibly poorly spent. The first few windows after Short arrived he invested a lot of money, but recently we've been forced to sell our best players every window, which is ultimately why we're going down. The buck always stops with the owner, this time more than most.
 
gipetto said:
He appointed a relatively young female lawyer to be our chief exec who had no experience working in football.

He appointed an agent as director of football who has overseen some of the worst transfers I've experienced supporting this club.

We were promised that the club wouldn't sell our best players, they did.

We scraped survival last season. The writing was on the cards and the club failed to invest in quality, relying instead on quantity. Many of which have hardly played.

The whole thing is a disaster and on his watch.
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The worst thing they knew what they had to do. Not sell their best players and buy a load of shite, they even came out and told us this.

Amazingly, they went and did it anyway. They are so stupid, they must be sitting around in management meetings wondering where it all where wrong.
 
supernaut1968 said:
The worst thing they knew what they had to do. Not sell their best players and buy a load of shite, they even came out and told us this.

Amazingly, they went and did it anyway. They are so stupid, they must be sitting around in management meetings wondering where it all where wrong.
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Spot on. It's like reliving the end of the Reid era.

We sold our best players, failed to replace them. Finished 4th from bottom which was a major wake up call or so you'd think. Poor decision make followed and we went down the following season.
 
gipetto said:
Spot on. It's like reliving the end of the Reid era.

We sold our best players, failed to replace them. Finished 4th from bottom which was a major wake up call or so you'd think. Poor decision make followed and we went down the following season.
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And repeat
 
gipetto said:
Spot on. It's like reliving the end of the Reid era.

We sold our best players, failed to replace them. Finished 4th from bottom which was a major wake up call or so you'd think. Poor decision make followed and we went down the following season.
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Isn't it a really high percentage of the teams finishing 4th bottom go down the following year.
 
sksk3021 said:
Isn't it a really high percentage of the teams finishing 4th bottom go down the following year.
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Yeah I imagine so. Probably because it can be difficult to shift under-performing players and they are happy to sit on their contracts.

When we signed players like Larsson and Gardner I thought they were decent acquisitions, not great but good enough for us to make that little step up. However, I thought these players would be replaced, it hasn't worked out that way and they've ended up being first team regulars for around 4 seasons now. It's players like these who have held us back. The problem is we signed them and probably ended up paying them daft wages, daft wages for average players. It's so frustrating.

Then we went out and signed Fletcher for £12m which most of us were aghast at. I think the majority managed to brainwash ourselves into thinking he was the best we could get and was proven at Premiership level but deep down we knew it was a poor deal. The lad hit the ground running and we were quickly won around but when the goals dried up it was obvious he was completely over-rated and massively over-valued.

Then in January last year when we signed Graham, the fans showed their disgust at the potential transfer before he even signed. Let's face it, it wasn't really because he was a Newcastle supporter. Had we signed Shearer at his pinnacle we'd have been lapping it up. The distaste was born out of frustration and knowing that he'd be a poor buy. Yet again we tried to brainwash ourselves into thinking he could do a job, well he didn't and once again we were proven right.

We can take the piss out of ourselves as much as we like but in reality, the fans that attend games on a regular basis are generally right when it comes to how transfers are going to pan out. It's rare that we're surprised and we've signed so much shite over the past 5/6 seasons it is seriously worrying. It's got to the point now where I feel every signing is going to be poor. Mannone was a good one, the loan signings have been fairly decent but what's happened to Celustka, Mavrias and Giaccherini? Had Fletcher been fit, our side would have been pretty much the same as last season, apart from we'd be missing two quality players in Mignolet and Sessegnon. The problem in my eyes is the board, they don't understand football and for that reason are making poor footballing decisions time and time again. At the end of the day this is a football club and as a business will only flourish if the football is entertaining and people want to watch/support the club.
 
gipetto said:
Yeah I imagine so. Probably because it can be difficult to shift under-performing players and they are happy to sit on their contracts.

When we signed players like Larsson and Gardner I thought they were decent acquisitions, not great but good enough for us to make that little step up. However, I thought these players would be replaced, it hasn't worked out that way and they've ended up being first team regulars for around 4 seasons now. It's players like these who have held us back. The problem is we signed them and probably ended up paying them daft wages, daft wages for average players. It's so frustrating.

Then we went out and signed Fletcher for £12m which most of us were aghast at. I think the majority managed to brainwash ourselves into thinking he was the best we could get and was proven at Premiership level but deep down we knew it was a poor deal. The lad hit the ground running and we were quickly won around but when the goals dried up it was obvious he was completely over-rated and massively over-valued.

Then in January last year when we signed Graham, the fans showed their disgust at the potential transfer before he even signed. Let's face it, it wasn't really because he was a Newcastle supporter. Had we signed Shearer at his pinnacle we'd have been lapping it up. The distaste was born out of frustration and knowing that he'd be a poor buy. Yet again we tried to brainwash ourselves into thinking he could do a job, well he didn't and once again we were proven right.

We can take the piss out of ourselves as much as we like but in reality, the fans that attend games on a regular basis are generally right when it comes to how transfers are going to pan out. It's rare that we're surprised and we've signed so much shite over the past 5/6 seasons it is seriously worrying. It's got to the point now where I feel every signing is going to be poor. Mannone was a good one, the loan signings have been fairly decent but what's happened to Celustka, Mavrias and Giaccherini? Had Fletcher been fit, our side would have been pretty much the same as last season, apart from we'd be missing two quality players in Mignolet and Sessegnon. The problem in my eyes is the board, they don't understand football and for that reason are making poor footballing decisions time and time again. At the end of the day this is a football club and as a business will only flourish if the football is entertaining and people want to watch/support the club.
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Can't argue with any of that really. Not sure you can really blame the board that much, other than for the whole Italian fiasco in the summer but even that was always going to be a struggle no matter how we went about it.

You rightly point to the start of it being Bruce bringing in average/poor players on big contracts, at that point we had more football people in charge than any other club.
 
sksk3021 said:
Can't argue with any of that really. Not sure you can really blame the board that much, other than for the whole Italian fiasco in the summer but even that was always going to be a struggle no matter how we went about it.

You rightly point to the start of it being Bruce bringing in average/poor players on big contracts, at that point we had more football people in charge than any other club.
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We've also got to think Brown has been a waste for the past two seasons. You can argue he's made up for it this season as he's been solid but he's been injured for the most of his time here. That money could have been better spent elsewhere. I also can't understand why it's taken us so long to replace our full-backs.
 
gipetto said:
We've also got to think Brown has been a waste for the past two seasons. You can argue he's made up for it this season as he's been solid but he's been injured for the most of his time here. That money could have been better spent elsewhere. I also can't understand why it's taken us so long to replace our full-backs.
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