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Maybe we get relegated so much because we are too good at getting promoted.

Maybe we just don't know our place.

The Pieman might know best
 

dirty bristow said:
Why is this happening again?
After 77,85,87,91,97,03 and 05, why are we going to be relegated again ( 90% chance in my opinion)?
What is it about SAFC that makes us so f***ing shit?
Some blame the fans, noticeably non attendees on here, but that is nonsense.
Location? The vermin up the road manage to overcome this and Boro signed world stars.
It is the mentality of the club as a whole?
What is the answer and why does this keep repeating itself? I simply haven't a clue what it is but like many others, I want someone or something to blame. But right now, I cannot think what....
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If we do go down blame Fletcher... he has relegation history.
 
Duke of Hendonshire said:
We've never had a long-term plan. We've got an ineffective Youth system. We lack financial ambition.
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I agree, however even if we did have the neccessary financial input from Short I don't think we will ever have the income we need to sustain a top 6 position.

Even since we got promoted under Keane and Quinnys magic carpet took off the finacial model for success in the Prem has changed dramatically.

It is no longer just a question of injecting cash it also requires long term sustainability through sponsorship and turnover.
 
dirty bristow said:
Why is this happening again?
After 77,85,87,91,97,03 and 05, why are we going to be relegated again ( 90% chance in my opinion)?
What is it about SAFC that makes us so f***ing shit?
Some blame the fans, noticeably non attendees on here, but that is nonsense.
Location? The vermin up the road manage to overcome this and Boro signed world stars.
It is the mentality of the club as a whole?
What is the answer and why does this keep repeating itself? I simply haven't a clue what it is but like many others, I want someone or something to blame. But right now, I cannot think what....
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In both cases their transfer policy from that time came close to financially ruining the clubs to the point where Gibson had to stop bankrolling Boro & that led to their relegation that they've not recovered from. Hall/Shepherd had to sell the Skunks because they had nothing left to use as collateral against spiralling debts.
 
Teed said:
and I know some players over the years have come here to put their feet up, in this day and age where money is sloshing about in the game, player don't even have to play for their win bonus, it matters not to them, the players have proved the can play to an high standard, the cup run alone proves that, what they can't do, is get out of the lazy way's they enjoy and that's why the performances are all over the place, they can't stay focused, the players come here to flog it off, not to graft and they enjoy the high wage we had to pay to attract them here in the first place, it's not rocket science, they are human beings and if they can get away with it they will.
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I remember feeling a bit gutted (cheated?) when Quinn mentioned the excellent win bonuses we paid under Reid - just when yu think it might be being paid thousands as pro or the Club set-up (community orientated etc) or even us fans adulating them in huge numbers that makes them try. No, it all means fk all. It's all about money. :(

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Daydream Believer said:
In both cases their transfer policy from that time came close to financially ruining the clubs to the point where Gibson had to stop bankrolling Boro & that led to their relegation that they've not recovered from. Hall/Shepherd had to sell the Skunks because they had nothing left to use as collateral against spiralling debts.
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Exactly. That was the only reason the did so well - overspent. As said I wish we had (fk the consequences) but now it's too late. If Clubs stick to the FFP, I fail to see how a yu can break into the Top 6 - without a Man City-type takeover or a collapse by a current top side (Man Utd perhaps?).
 
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andymcnish said:
Relegations since we came up in 2006:

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Why do you think we have some sort of divine right not to be relegated?

There are half a dozen teams with years of success and loads of money that guarantee they will be in the top half of the Prem:
City, Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs.
Everton also seem to be an ever present in the top half.

After that literally everyone (including us) can get relegated in any season if things don't go their way.

The things that's surprising is that we haven't gone down recently not that we might this season...
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Highlight in my post where I said we had a divine right then...
 
dirty bristow said:
Highlight in my post where I said we had a divine right then...
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You implied something must be 'wrong' for us to be flirting with relegation.
The inference being that isn't our proper state given our size and money and that we should be a top half Premier Team and never be relegated (because any team not in the top half is de facto risking relegation). And there is your 'divine right'.

My reply is that 7 years unbroken in the the Prem is tremendous success for a town smaller and probably poorer than than Brighton, Leeds, Wakefield, Bristol, Nottingham, Bradford, Coventry, Sheffield (and others whose teams haven't matched our Premier League status) and to have had the most sustained run in the top flight in my lifetime a lot more must have gone right than wrong.
 
SurreyMackem said:
I agree, however even if we did have the neccessary financial input from Short I don't think we will ever have the income we need to sustain a top 6 position.

Even since we got promoted under Keane and Quinnys magic carpet took off the finacial model for success in the Prem has changed dramatically.

It is no longer just a question of injecting cash it also requires long term sustainability through sponsorship and turnover.
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Couldn't agree more, my brief point referred to income as well as expenditure. Totally baffles me why we have not sold the stadium name rights as one example.
 
andymcnish said:
You implied something must be 'wrong' for us to be flirting with relegation.
The inference being that isn't our proper state given our size and money and that we should be a top half Premier Team and never be relegated (because any team not in the top half is de facto risking relegation). And there is your 'divine right'.

My reply is that 7 years unbroken in the the Prem is tremendous success for a town smaller and probably poorer than than Brighton, Leeds, Wakefield, Bristol, Nottingham, Bradford, Coventry, Sheffield (and others whose teams haven't matched our Premier League status) and to have had the most sustained run in the top flight in my lifetime a lot more must have gone right than wrong.
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So first you tell me what I allegedly said, now I am implying.
See what you make of these words.....fuck off you total bellend
 
Are you for real mate? We think we have a divine right not to be relegated? Ffs we've seen enough relegations to think it's as inevitable as night follows day. I thinkthe point in the main is we've spent so much money we shouldn't really be in this position, but chronic mismanagement has ensured we are. Are you saying we should just accept that?
andymcnish said:
Relegations since we came up in 2006:

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Why do you think we have some sort of divine right not to be relegated?

There are half a dozen teams with years of success and loads of money that guarantee they will be in the top half of the Prem:
City, Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs.
Everton also seem to be an ever present in the top half.

After that literally everyone (including us) can get relegated in any season if things don't go their way.

The things that's surprising is that we haven't gone down recently not that we might this season...
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[DOUBLEPOST=1395859520][/DOUBLEPOST]Why do you keep mentioning Wakefield? Have they even got a professional club?
andymcnish said:
You implied something must be 'wrong' for us to be flirting with relegation.
The inference being that isn't our proper state given our size and money and that we should be a top half Premier Team and never be relegated (because any team not in the top half is de facto risking relegation). And there is your 'divine right'.

My reply is that 7 years unbroken in the the Prem is tremendous success for a town smaller and probably poorer than than Brighton, Leeds, Wakefield, Bristol, Nottingham, Bradford, Coventry, Sheffield (and others whose teams haven't matched our Premier League status) and to have had the most sustained run in the top flight in my lifetime a lot more must have gone right than wrong.
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Whenever we look like we're getting somewhere, we fail to capitalise by going for it signing wise. Under Murray and Reid we spent a fortune on trying to find a bargain attacking mid/ forward- fredgaard, Nunez, las landed, flo. Should just bit the bullet and bought a top notch forward for 10 million ish. Under Bruce, Bent and Gyan go and we replace them with under par replacements. No one has replaced Henderson-spend the money from him on two 8 million midfielders instead of buying job lots of sub standard players . Bad investment in players is the bottom line for me.
 
dirty bristow said:
Why is this happening again?
After 77,85,87,91,97,03 and 05, why are we going to be relegated again ( 90% chance in my opinion)?
What is it about SAFC that makes us so f***ing shit?
Some blame the fans, noticeably non attendees on here, but that is nonsense.
Location? The vermin up the road manage to overcome this and Boro signed world stars.
It is the mentality of the club as a whole?
What is the answer and why does this keep repeating itself? I simply haven't a clue what it is but like many others, I want someone or something to blame. But right now, I cannot think what....
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Crikey! I don't know why, but I totally forgot we're enjoying our most successful run in over 40 years.
 
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