Mackem00
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His support was great while it lasted tho............a full week.
Weird that it coincided with cup final week mind, must have just been lucky a suppose.
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Weird that it coincided with cup final week mind, must have just been lucky a suppose.
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The Exile
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And to think you got a cup final ticket over actual supporters.
Not over. I am an actual supporter anyway. Those on the all positive or negative side aren't because they refuse to see the whole picture.
Anyway we're doing the usual and making it about a poster rather than the issue.
Poyet dropped a bollock. It happens. The players didn't turn up. It happens, quite a lot in our case over the last few years. Enough so that a performance like yesterday will add to the usual tense home atmosphere. It was about riding the crest of the wave into the league games and instead we're on our arse. Decisions have consequences, so we should accept no whinging about the atmosphere against Palace. The players had an opportunity to almost guarantee that party atmosphere but didn't take it. that's what I mean by winning the supporters over again.[DOUBLEPOST=1394449459][/DOUBLEPOST]
HOUUUUUUUSSSEEE!!!!!
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FunkyIguana
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The only thing I don't understand is why any of the players needed a rest when we don't have another game for a week. If they need more time that to recover between games, I fear we're fucked anyway.
Plus, we ended up bringing Borini and Johnson on for half an hour, so they didn't even get a rest. If there was little in it between Hull and our second string for an hour, there's a fair argument that starting with our first eleven would have yielded a better result... especially when Gus was will willing to risk some of them for half an hour anyway.
A massive miscalculation for me.
Plus, we ended up bringing Borini and Johnson on for half an hour, so they didn't even get a rest. If there was little in it between Hull and our second string for an hour, there's a fair argument that starting with our first eleven would have yielded a better result... especially when Gus was will willing to risk some of them for half an hour anyway.
A massive miscalculation for me.
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Church
Striker
Agreed.
I had an uneasy feeling before the game wanting us to win, but knowing that we are already 2-3 games behind our rivals in the league and would end up even further behind. I dont want us to end up having to play every 2 days and have to win those matches.
We have also seen just how shite our cover is beyond the first eleven - there is almost nothing to call on in the event of injuries.
It was a horrible day, but we need to move on and back Gus.
Winning yesterday would have added one game to our regular season. The fixture congestion is already going to happen. We are going to have to deal with it. I don't think putting a reserve team out in a cup tie with a weeks rest before and after is the way to do it. I honestly can't see how playing our first team yesterday would have made any difference unless he didn't want to win.
daveydavey
Striker
Professional footballers at the end of the day and it was 6 days until our next game.
If anything this was a game that could keep the squad sharp rather than provide an unnecessary rest.
A blotch on the recent happy days at SAFC and now it's the hard reality it's all on relegation battle.
If anything this was a game that could keep the squad sharp rather than provide an unnecessary rest.
A blotch on the recent happy days at SAFC and now it's the hard reality it's all on relegation battle.
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FunkyIguana
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Why rest players when they don't have another game for a week, though? And on the flipside, if Gus thought certain players did need a rest, why bring them on the last half an hour? Either they needed rest or they didn't: if they didn't, there was no reason not to start them; if they did, they shouldn't have played for half an hour. All that result does is flatten the fans and sap confidence from the fourteen players involved; that will affect our run-in more than (slightly) fresher legs IMO.
On reflection, my view is that Poyet misjudged the mood yesterday and, for the first time, panicked during the game. I don't think Borini and Johnson were part of the original gameplan but, for whatever reason, I think Gus decided "fuck it, we're going for this" mid-way through the second half. Maybe it was hearing the fans singing about Wembley and Que Sera Sera; it was certainly a powerful roar.
In truth, yesterday was nothing less than a huge missed opportunity. Three trips to Wembley, two cup finals and European qualification would have been remembered in these parts for decades to come. In the grand scheme of things, an hour's extra fresh legs for Palace at home - when we had a week anyway - amounts to fuck all in comparison.
I'm still completely behind Poyet, obviously; I think most of the sensible posters on here are. Everyone drops a bollock. But I don't think it's right to accept yesterday as a tactical masterstroke from Gus. We could have gone down there full strength without negatively affecting our league run-in IMO. The fact that Gus was willing to risk Borini and Johnson for half an hour suggests that, deep down, he knew that too.
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not spavin
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It's not one more game, it's 3.
Yesterday, the semi and the final.
Key players were rested yesterday for reasons of fitness / injury. The semi would've stretched resources at a critical point in the relegation scrap, and the final is a MASSIVE distraction ahead of what could be a make-or-break game v Swansea on the final day.
And we're already playing catch up.[DOUBLEPOST=1394454467][/DOUBLEPOST]
Agree with that, though it seems fair to say that Poyet could've reasonably expect more from the lads he started. They're all senior pros after all.
Steve1704
Midfield
I'm still 100 % behind Gus & the job he's done since he was appointed, he has done a remarkable job by giving us a chance to stay in the Prem & taking us to our 1st final in 22 years. But that team selection yesterday was a shocker imo & i'm still gutted now like, because it's only 7 days since he gave me my best moments as a Sunderland supporter with that incredible weekend last week.
I just wanted Gus to play his strongest team, probably the 1 that started the final last week to give us the best opportunity of this happening again.
Football is only a game they say but the scenes that most of us witnessed over that magical weekend will live with me forever & this is why i wanted to do it again so much.
Even if we played our best 11 we might still have been beaten but we would have given ourselves a much better chance of going to Wembley again & thats the bit that hurts so bloody much imo !!
I just wanted Gus to play his strongest team, probably the 1 that started the final last week to give us the best opportunity of this happening again.
Football is only a game they say but the scenes that most of us witnessed over that magical weekend will live with me forever & this is why i wanted to do it again so much.
Even if we played our best 11 we might still have been beaten but we would have given ourselves a much better chance of going to Wembley again & thats the bit that hurts so bloody much imo !!
chriswallace85
Striker
Me anarl, but I'm bloody upset.
GBSAFC
Striker
mate are you pissed?
are we suggesting another 41 years planning phase?
for the record i'll forgive yesterday... just not yet
Yesterday is a game then a weeks rest I can't see what impact that has. The semi would make things more difficult slightly but how many players would be complaining about that?
The final is a week after our season will end it's not going to contribute to fixture congestion. Might even make a few pull their fingers out with a possible FA cup final on the horizon.
Do you think Poyet wanted to win yesterday?
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FunkyIguana
Guest
Very true.
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Mark
Guest
If we'd had a league game at the weekend gone we'd have played a stronger side.
I really don't see why we needed to field a weakened side in the cup.
I'm still backing Poyet but yesterday was a huge error on his part IMHO.
I really don't see why we needed to field a weakened side in the cup.
I'm still backing Poyet but yesterday was a huge error on his part IMHO.
sonson
Striker
I'm backing him too. I think most are. Just confused as to why he thinks a first team can't play a game a week.
Oh, and it's too early to chase silverware? That's the whole point of competitive football. Win things. Unless you're happy with mere existence. We were two games away from another 1973.
He messed up badly. But it's his first major mistake, weighed against an otherwise very competent and impressive job.
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johnson
Guest
What a load of shite
How did losing that match help our relegation battle? It has done the exact opposite.
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dirty bristow
Guest
As a Sunderland fan, I don't expect to win anything, however we got into a position to have a f***ing go and we ducked out.
That is annoying.
If/when we lose in the 3rd round next year, c'est la vie.
That is annoying.
If/when we lose in the 3rd round next year, c'est la vie.
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not spavin
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Why would it take 41 years?
Do you at least accept that we'd be better placed to challenge for trophies on a longer term basis if we stay in the top flight?[DOUBLEPOST=1394456126][/DOUBLEPOST]
You have no idea what impact it'll have on future performances. All we know is that we now have fewer games to play.[DOUBLEPOST=1394456192][/DOUBLEPOST]
Yes.
If he didn't, why bring on Johnson and Borini?
Do you think he threw the game?[DOUBLEPOST=1394456463][/DOUBLEPOST]
You simply cannot give equal weighting to the League Cup, FA Cup and relegation battle. You can't. It's impossible for 11 players to play with equal intensity in all 3 competitions.
It's not as if Poyet withdrew from the competition. He simply tried to use his squad. The team that capitulated was only 8 out of the 11 that faced City in the final.
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No I don't think he did. What I don't understand is that if that team had got us through he would have played his full strength team in the semi and the final.
That's what makes me wonder why he did what he did yesterday. It's not in a run of congested fixtures they shouldn't be tired and they have a week to rest before the next game.
PISTON
Striker
Congratulations. This is a good post. It is exactly what happened and exactly what i expected would happen.
Yesterday was a major black mark against Poyet. A self inflicted defeat. F**king unforgivable.
I hoped i'd just forget about it but i'm more f**king angry now than i was yesterday. It's gradually starting to sink in what Poyet and the club have done.
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