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Dexter said:
Steyn doesn't half go on like an absolute tit.
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Yes. All other world class bowlers are ever so deferential when they take important wickets for their country.[DOUBLEPOST=1393178342][/DOUBLEPOST]
smoker said:
Goes to show how poor our bowling was in comparison.
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We are streets behind this level at present. The current incumbents will be encouraged not to be too aggressive and take defeat like gentlemen. No boat-rockers allowed either. Oh, and pass the port in the correct direction, chaps.
 
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Yes. All other world class bowlers are ever so deferential when they take important wickets for their country.[DOUBLEPOST=1393178342][/DOUBLEPOST]
We are streets behind this level at present. The current incumbents will be encouraged not to be too aggressive and take defeat like gentlemen. No boat-rockers allowed either. Oh, and pass the port in the correct direction, chaps.
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Nowt unpredictable allowed in cook and flower's england. Even what's not broken was fixed to ensure repeatability within 'the plan'. No wonder australia figured us out.
 
chopsfc007 said:
have a lot of talented bowlers at least coming through and a few on the batting side
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Not on the evidence of today's display. The point I was making is that their start performers (Clarke, Haddin, Rodgers, Johnson, Harris) are all a few years away from retirement meaning they will face the same problems as they did in 2006/7/8 unless they ditch some of the older guard and slowly integrate some younger players, it would be a lot to ask of the likes of Smith, Doolan and Warner to be the main men in a couple of years time.

I suppose this is part of the reason ECB have discarded KP - the need to bring in younger players rather than cling on the the old guard until they are no longer any good...[DOUBLEPOST=1393186952][/DOUBLEPOST]
Dexter said:
We're soft as shite, that's our problem.

Look at how much aggression and intensity the two teams in this series have, our players look like rabbits in the headlights in comparison. Still can't believe how much Finn has been destroyed by what I can only assume is woefully inadequate coaching.
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You could argue that it comes from the top. Cook looks like he's never lost his temper and is utterly incapable of a commanding, rousing speech in the changing rooms.
 
Bowlers win test matches. South Africa and Australia have bowlers with x factor. Englands problem isnt Cook. Tell Johnson to knock a batsmans head off and tell Broad the same you will get two different results regardless of who the skipper is.

The English buy into the media scapegoat mentality. As a skipper your only as good as the bowlers available at your disposal.

India chopped and changed skippers a few years back with a gluttony of top class batters in toe and never came close to dominating test cricket. Why?
Bowlers win test cricket....see above
 
essex boy said:
Bowlers win test matches. South Africa and Australia have bowlers with x factor. Englands problem isnt Cook. Tell Johnson to knock a batsmans head off and tell Broad the same you will get two different results regardless of who the skipper is.

The English buy into the media scapegoat mentality. As a skipper your only as good as the bowlers available at your disposal.

India chopped and changed skippers a few years back with a gluttony of top class batters in toe and never came close to dominating test cricket. Why?
Bowlers win test cricket....see above
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you make valid points.

however if you look at our tour over there many times we had them reeling around 100-5 and but barely scraped past 300 ourselves. mostly getting out for under 200.

you cannot score under 200 and blame the bowlers when you lose:lol::lol:
 
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Not on the evidence of today's display. The point I was making is that their start performers (Clarke, Haddin, Rodgers, Johnson, Harris) are all a few years away from retirement meaning they will face the same problems as they did in 2006/7/8 unless they ditch some of the older guard and slowly integrate some younger players, it would be a lot to ask of the likes of Smith, Doolan and Warner to be the main men in a couple of years time.

I suppose this is part of the reason ECB have discarded KP - the need to bring in younger players rather than cling on the the old guard until they are no longer any good...[DOUBLEPOST=1393186952][/DOUBLEPOST]
You could argue that it comes from the top. Cook looks like he's never lost his temper and is utterly incapable of a commanding, rousing speech in the changing rooms.
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Australia could have a cracking odi side in the next 5 years. Trouble is their strike bowling. Aside from James pattinson, which of their Young bowlers looks likely to make the mark at test level? Lehman is getting the most out of an average team (and fuck me england flattered them!) But that won't last forever. One crumb of comfort in this winter's debacle.[DOUBLEPOST=1393249963][/DOUBLEPOST]
essex boy said:
Bowlers win test matches. South Africa and Australia have bowlers with x factor. Englands problem isnt Cook. Tell Johnson to knock a batsmans head off and tell Broad the same you will get two different results regardless of who the skipper is.

The English buy into the media scapegoat mentality. As a skipper your only as good as the bowlers available at your disposal.

India chopped and changed skippers a few years back with a gluttony of top class batters in toe and never came close to dominating test cricket. Why?
Bowlers win test cricket....see above
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Doesn't help our batsmen are giving them such a pathetic total to defend, and they are only getting a couple of sessions rest.

Jimmy Anderson and Graeme Swann have both taken more wickets than Johnson. Trouble is our lack of a world class express bowler makes us toothless on flat tracks eg Australia, SA. Finn had the most promising start of any English quick, better even than Harmison. Saker ruined him.
 
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That one that hit him in the jaw / throat must of hurt. To be fair to him he has kept going. Liked that hook from Warner when he had his eyes closed. Excellent camera work.
 
As much as he's a thoroughly unlikable fella, Warner is becoming a very good batsman, superb to watch as well.[DOUBLEPOST=1393975521][/DOUBLEPOST]Just seen Watson's dismissal :lol:
 
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This test is a classic example of why people who suggest test cricket is dying should be locked in a dark cupboard and never be allowed out. Ever.
 
Aidan11 said:
This test is a classic example of why people who suggest test cricket is dying should be locked in a dark cupboard and never be allowed out. Ever.
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Completely, utterly, this.[DOUBLEPOST=1394035802][/DOUBLEPOST]
Mainze said:
Stunning turnaround from Lehman, Clarke and Australia in the last 6 months.
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Notice how South Africa actually made them work for their wickets. Fair play to Australia (through gritted teeth)
 
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